Stupid neurologist's office

I was diagnosed by a nurse practitioner, who has see me twice for about 15 minutes each. She gave me meds but didn't do an MRI.

I called today to see if I should have one. The secretary asked what doctor said I should have it. I told her it would be the neurologist who would recommend it. She asked how I came to the conclusion that I need an MRI. I told her I had been doing research. She said, "research, huh?".

I am so irritated right now.

I just put in a call to Mass General to see if I can see Dr. Eskandar. The bummer is that I have no insurance, and I'm freaking about the cost.

As far as the MRI, my GP mentioned the other day that an uninsured MRI ran about $400. When I had mine, the bill came in at $6,000...seriously. Of course, the insurance approved amount was around $900 so w/copay I think it was $100. It just tells you what a load of nonsense they play with numbers. As awful as $400 sounds, if I was concerned about possible serious issues and it offers peace of mind it is worth it.

Why did they give you the NP instead of a dr.? My first neuro visit was about an hour...follow ups run about 15-20 minutes. Do they have an online portal? Where you can email and ask questions? It might help get your concerns to the right person.

When I was getting my care at the local Veteran's Hospital, I had to request a doctor, or I would have been put in with a nurse PA. Both my primary care doc, and the neurologist I saw did not order the MRI. When I saw the VA neurosurgeon for the first time, the first thing he asked is, " Have you had the MRI done yet?"

Is it really that rare of a disorder that doctors don't know how to deal with it? I would think a neurologist's office would have an understanding of what to do.

Unfortunately Beth, considering we have enough to deal with ( the pain) we’re often placed in a position of having to advocate for ourselves.
Which doesn’t go over well with doctors/specialists.we’re then labeled in an unfavourable way.
My best advice is to find a doctor/neurologist who has experience with TN.
Check out our “Find a doctor” page.
Remember despite the frustration and aggravation YOU know your body best and it’s in your best interest to “read” as much as you can as most doctors just don’t know enough about TN.
Upon a first visit let the Doctor/Neuro lead the appointment, but don’t hesitate to ask for their opinion on _____ fill in the blank.
It is your right to have a supportive healthcare professional to guide you and *listen to you!
Best of luck, Mimi

Copy/pasted from the following link…

http://www.livingwithtn.org/forum/topics/letter-from-doctor-to-patients-with-chronic-illness?commentId=2413731%3AComment%3A316742

Thanks to JC Colyer for sharing this very inspiring message of a “Letter from Doctor to Patients with Chronic Illness” as written by Dr. Rob on July 14, 2010, in BEING A DOCTOR, BEST OF, JUST STUFF KIND OF THINGIES, PERSONAL MUSINGS.
It reads:
Dear Patients:
You have it very hard, much harder than most people understand. Having sat for 16 years listening to the stories, seeing the tiredness in your eyes, hearing you try to describe the indescribable, I have come to understand that I too can’t understand what your lives are like. How do you answer the question, “how do you feel?” when you’ve forgotten what “normal” feels like? How do you deal with all of the people who think you are exaggerating your pain, your emotions, your fatigue? How do you decide when to believe them or when to trust your own body? How do you cope with living a life that won’t let you forget about your frailty, your limits, your mortality?
I can’t imagine.
But I do bring something to the table that you may not know. I do have information that you can’t really understand because of your unique perspective, your battered world. There is something that you need to understand that, while it won’t undo your pain, make your fatigue go away, or lift your emotions, it will help you. It’s information without which you bring yourself more pain than you need suffer; it’s a truth that is a key to getting the help you need much easier than you have in the past. It may not seem important, but trust me, it is.
You scare doctors.
No, I am not talking about the fear of disease, pain, or death. I am not talking about doctors being afraid of the limits of their knowledge. I am talking about your understanding of a fact that everyone else seems to miss, a fact that many doctors hide from: we are normal, fallible people who happen to doctor for a job. We are not special. In fact, many of us are very insecure, wanting to feel the affirmation of people who get better, hearing the praise of those we help. We want to cure disease, to save lives, to be the helping hand, the right person in the right place at the right time.
But chronic unsolvable disease stands square in our way. You don’t get better, and it makes many of us frustrated, and it makes some of us mad at you. We don’t want to face things we can’t fix because it shows our limits. We want the miraculous, and you deny us that chance.
And since this is the perspective you have when you see doctors, your view of them is quite different. You see us getting frustrated. You see us when we feel like giving up. When we take care of you, we have to leave behind the illusion of control, of power over disease. We get angry, feel insecure, and want to move on to a patient who we can fix, save, or impress. You are the rock that proves how easily the ship can be sunk. So your view of doctors is quite different.
Then there is the fact that you also possess something that is usually our domain: knowledge. You know more about your disease than many of us do – most of us do. Your MS, rheumatoid arthritis, end-stage kidney disease, Cushing’s disease, bipolar disorder, chronic pain disorder, brittle diabetes, or disabling psychiatric disorder – your defining pain - is something most of us don’t regularly encounter. It’s something most of us try to avoid. So you possess deep understanding of something that many doctors don’t possess. Even doctors who specialize in your disorder don’t share the kind of knowledge you can only get through living with a disease. It’s like a parent’s knowledge of their child versus that of a pediatrician. They may have breadth of knowledge, but you have depth of knowledge that no doctor can possess.
So when you approach a doctor – especially one you’ve never met before – you come with a knowledge of your disease that they don’t have, and a knowledge of the doctor’s limitations that few other patients have. You see why you scare doctors? It’s not your fault that you do, but ignoring this fact will limit the help you can only get from them. I know this because, just like you know your disease better than any doctor, I know what being a doctor feels like more than any patient could ever understand. You encounter doctors intermittently (more than you wish, perhaps); I live as a doctor continuously.
So let me be so bold as to give you advice on dealing with doctors. There are some things you can do to make things easier, and others that can sabotage any hope of a good relationship:
Don’t come on too strong – yes, you have to advocate for yourself, but remember that doctors are used to being in control. All of the other patients come into the room with immediate respect, but your understanding has torn down the doctor-god illusion. That’s a good thing in the long-run, but few doctors want to be greeted with that reality from the start. Your goal with any doctor is to build a partnership of trust that goes both ways, and coming on too strong at the start can hurt your chances of ever having that.
Show respect – I say this one carefully, because there are certainly some doctors who don’t treat patients with respect – especially ones like you with chronic disease. These doctors should be avoided. But most of us are not like that; we really want to help people and try to treat them well. But we have worked very hard to earn our position; it was not bestowed by fiat or family tree. Just as you want to be listened to, so do we.
Keep your eggs in only a few baskets – find a good primary care doctor and a couple of specialists you trust. Don’t expect a new doctor to figure things out quickly. It takes me years of repeated visits to really understand many of my chronic disease patients. The best care happens when a doctor understands the patient and the patient understands the doctor. This can only happen over time. Heck, I struggle even seeing the chronically sick patients for other doctors in my practice. There is something very powerful in having understanding built over time.
Use the ER only when absolutely needed – Emergency room physicians will always struggle with you. Just expect that. Their job is to decide if you need to be hospitalized, if you need emergency treatment, or if you can go home. They might not fix your pain, and certainly won’t try to fully understand you. That’s not their job. They went into their specialty to fix problems quickly and move on, not manage chronic disease. The same goes for any doctor you see for a short time: they will try to get done with you as quickly as possible.
Don’t avoid doctors – one of the most frustrating things for me is when a complicated patient comes in after a long absence with a huge list of problems they want me to address. I can’t work that way, and I don’t think many doctors can. Each visit should address only a few problems at a time, otherwise things get confused and more mistakes are made. It’s OK to keep a list of your own problems so things don’t get left out – I actually like getting those lists, as long as people don’t expect me to handle all of the problems. It helps me to prioritize with them.
Don’t put up with the jerks – unless you have no choice (in the ER, for example), you should keep looking until you find the right doctor(s) for you. Some docs are not cut out for chronic disease, while some of us like the long-term relationship. Don’t feel you have to put up with docs who don’t listen or minimize your problems. At the minimum, you should be able to find a doctor who doesn’t totally suck.
Forgive us – Sometimes I forget about important things in my patients’ lives. Sometimes I don’t know you’ve had surgery or that your sister comes to see me as well. Sometimes I avoid people because I don’t want to admit my limitations. Be patient with me – I usually know when I’ve messed up, and if you know me well I don’t mind being reminded. Well, maybe I mind it a little.
You know better than anyone that we docs are just people – with all the stupidity, inconsistency, and fallibility that goes with that – who happen to doctor for a living. I hope this helps, and I really hope you get the help you need. It does suck that you have your problem; I just hope this perhaps decreases that suckishness a little bit.
Sincerely,
Dr. Rob

Hi Beth,

Just curious, by any chance was this a neurology office at UMass Memorial in Worcester? I saw one doctor there last year and he was so arrogant, and totally clueless - horrible experience. I went to another neurologist last fall, finally got answers and help. Still at same hospital though, and the wait list for appointments was months long. Maybe Mass General might be your best bet ... I hope things work out for you.

Thank you, Mimi. Yes, I hate being labeled a trouble-making patient, but I get frustrated when I don't feel like I'm getting the kind of care that seems appropriate. As I said to the nurse, I don't know what the right course of action is, but I feel like I need direction. I mean, sending a script to the pharmacy doesn't constitute a holistic approach in my book. I need to be followed ... asked questions ... offered suggestions. If they aren't going to do that, then they shouldn't minimize the research I do on my own.

Mimi said:

Unfortunately Beth, considering we have enough to deal with ( the pain) we're often placed in a position of having to advocate for ourselves.
Which doesn't go over well with doctors/specialists.we're then labeled in an unfavourable way.
My best advice is to find a doctor/neurologist who has experience with TN.
Check out our "Find a doctor" page.
Remember despite the frustration and aggravation YOU know your body best and it's in your best interest to "read" as much as you can as most doctors just don't know enough about TN.
Upon a first visit let the Doctor/Neuro lead the appointment, but don't hesitate to ask for their opinion on _____ fill in the blank.
It is your right to have a supportive healthcare professional to guide you and *listen to you!
Best of luck, Mimi

Hi Obsidian,

No, this practice is in Lewiston, Maine. I'm about 2.5 hours north of Boston. I just put a call in to Mass General today. I'm sure I'll get quality care, but I don't know at what price. :|

Obsidian said:

Hi Beth,

Just curious, by any chance was this a neurology office at UMass Memorial in Worcester? I saw one doctor there last year and he was so arrogant, and totally clueless - horrible experience. I went to another neurologist last fall, finally got answers and help. Still at same hospital though, and the wait list for appointments was months long. Maybe Mass General might be your best bet ... I hope things work out for you.

Hi Beth,

Oh yeah - now I see you live in Auburn ME, not Auburn MA. I've been in a fog all day ... sorry! I've heard good things about Mass General. That's miserable that you have no insurance, I hope you find a way to get the care you need.

Beth said:

Hi Obsidian,

No, this practice is in Lewiston, Maine. I'm about 2.5 hours north of Boston. I just put a call in to Mass General today. I'm sure I'll get quality care, but I don't know at what price. :|

Obsidian said:

Hi Beth,

Just curious, by any chance was this a neurology office at UMass Memorial in Worcester? I saw one doctor there last year and he was so arrogant, and totally clueless - horrible experience. I went to another neurologist last fall, finally got answers and help. Still at same hospital though, and the wait list for appointments was months long. Maybe Mass General might be your best bet ... I hope things work out for you.

Hi Beth, are you able to call the financial dept. of Mass General to ask how much the visit with the specialist will cost you? If you state you are uninsured they might know right off the bat how much it would cost. Perhaps they can also inform you how much a scan of the brain w&w/o contrast would be. Stressing about the cost (as any of us would feel) will possibly cause you more pain .Do you have the book "Striking Back" by Dr. Casey?

I don't have the book, Shadow2, but I plan to get it. Yes, I think I will call Mass General. I'm having a horrible flare-up right now, and I'm desperate for answers.