My TN Story published

Hi All,

I just wanted to let you all know that I've finally published my TN story. My hope is that it will bring some awareness and maybe even help out some of my fellow TN patients. As many of you know, or may not know, I had a successful MVD two years ago. In this article, I detail my journey through diagnosis, doctors, surgeons, MRIs, meds and finally my surgery. It was an emotional article to write as it brought me back to some of my darkest days. I hope that it will offer some light to somebody on here trying to navigate through an early diagnosis and might help them see how I made one of the biggest (and scariest) decisions ever to have my MVD. I've linked the story here . . .

My Trigeminal Neuralgia Story

What an incredible piece. I can not imagine the hours that went into it or the personal pain writing it. Mybell has graciously allowed us to include it. In out TN Basics tab as a permanent part of this site.

I "enjoyed" reading your story. It made me relive my own story, although I lived with my pain for 10 years on and off before deciding to have my MVD also 2 years ago. We are lucky to have had our surgeries be successful, but it is still difficult as you say living with the possibility of this horrific pain returning. I too try to share my successful experience with others in getting them to a period where they can once again enjoy their life. We all need a shoulder that understands this kind of pain when we are in the midst of it! Good luck to you and all other warriors out there.

The speed of decision making is awesome. My sense is that you were able to stay amazingly centered in the midst of painful chaos. Every time we get pointed in a direction by a medical practitioner it's like going on scavenger hunt. Successful navigation requires some luck, support, and personal skill.

Mybell you are impressive! To me, you turned a battleship on a dime.

But, most interesting is that the MRI, for some of the "experts", did not show a compression.

I wonder how many TN patients dead end there?

Well written and a true service, in short supply. I wish that there were more of these stories, namely the successful journeys into wellness. I have TN type 2 and ruled out MVD due to the report of poor outcomes and that my MRI does not show a micro-vascular compression.

Sure would like to know the names of your doctors---the ones that made a difference.

Thank you all for your awesome comments! It means so much to me. Mimi - yes, I agree that we all need that "shoulder" and I found many on here. ModSupport - thank you for sharing this with the TN community here.

Wm Phillips - my superstar doctor that performed my surgery and got it all right is Dr. Ken Casey. I mention him as the author of the book "Striking Back" but didn't want to necessarily single out doctors on either side with this article. He was (and is) truly amazing though. He trained under Dr. Peter Janetta, the father of MVD surgery, and has done the surgery thousands of times. My case was pretty clear cut, especially since my compressions were easily visible once he had a look. He also takes on more difficult cases too. I was truly on a "mission" after TN fell into my lap to figure this out for me. My journalist background certainly helped as research is my thing. I found this website within the first week of my symptoms.

I had MVD surgery on Sept2nd 2014 and not had any pain since. My own story is very similar to your in terms of time, but in my case I went through the dental path first and they tried everything including a root canal but nothing worked. I ended up on multiple drugs that worked as long as I didn't miss a dose even by a few hours, but I was constantly walking around in a fog. My own surgery lasted 6 hours and as you said one night in IC and then one night in regular then home. What I did find out is that my mother and probably up to 4 generations earlier have all had some form of neuralgia I just got the worst type !

To anyone suffering this terrible illness, please consider MVD. It is scary as hell but worth every single bit of suffering to be drug free and pain free

A great piece of writing. I am on Carbagen about 400mg to 600mg per day with the odd spell at 800mg. Brain faze or what! But better than the pain.. Take care all, Colin

Hello "mybell",

I would like to know what kind of dental procedure you went thru around the time that the pain started. I see in your write up that there is no mention to "dental procedure" as a cause/trigger of TN and this is one of a major cause in our days due to too many complicated procedures like root canals,implants,deep teeth cleaning and so forth are performed by inexperience dentists. I run a poll in a TN Facebook group "Trigeminal Neuralgia Support"and found out so far(small sample!) that 45% of TN cases have been caused by dental procedures and this is a very high number. On another group "Trigeminal Neuralgia Help Group " I communicated with a member "Andy Southmayd" that went thru MVD like you, he is still in pain but he learned how to live with it. He may be a good contact for you.

As for me, I went thru a 12 implant mouth restoration that caused my TN. The dentist was on denial and suggested MVD and neurologists but I did not "bite". No one in my family had any type of TN ever, so using the process of elimination mine must have been caused by the implant procedures AND I WAS RIGHT. I declined MVD, I changed dentists and requested him to remove the back mandible molars, where the nerve pain was originated and the unbearable electric stabbing pain on the entire right side of my face was gone. Currently I filed a lawsuit against the inexperienced dentist and I am in the process of remove all the implants.

Again I would like to know if you went thru any dental procedure around the time that the pain started.

Glad you feel better and I'd like to hear form you.

cheers,

Nikos

Thanks, Phill and Colin. So glad that the MVD worked for you, Phil. I feel so lucky that I went to my doctor first instead of my dentist. It was fate because my dentist office happened to be closed that day and I was desperate but certainly thought at the time that the dentist was the answer.

Nikos - I never had a dental procedure done at all before my TN, only cleanings. My TN literally came out of nowhere one day. Dr. Casey told me that I likely had a family member somewhere back that had TN so I did a little sleuthing in our family tree. My great grandfather, who lived in France, died in his 20's of what was said to be a "toothache". This to me sounds suspicious as maybe he had TN and was so desperate that he had teeth pulled. Maybe this caused an infection (back in the 1920's) that caused his death. I will never know for sure know as I don't have any surviving family members that far back but it certainly sounds like a possibility. Wishing you the best as you seek out answers.

Hi there!

After reading your story, I just had a flood of emotions that overwhelmed me.

Dr. Neil Martin preformed MVD and a Rhizotomy on me Friday, March 13th. I have been pain free ever since. But I know what this disease does and my family had to watch me deteriorate to a point where they had to think and act for me. I could no longer drive as the amounts of Carbamazapine I was on were so great, that I was a walking zombie. I hope others can read your post and find a good doctor. I was lucky. I lived in Maui and fortunately had a very progressive and understanding nuerologist who did not question my pain. He knew right off what it was and really insisted that I work on getting surgery. I then picked Dr. Martin to do the surgery 3 years after onset. I literally picked this man, having no idea, other than that he was the head of Neurosurgery at UCLA, to preform brain surgery on me.

I still live with the fear, but at least I can think again and walk and talk and move about without help from others. I don't lose my thoughts and forget where I am going anymore and the joint pain that Tegretol caused me is gone.We do need a cure. I'm glad to hear that you are still good these 2 years later. I hope that you remain well and I hope I do too!

Be good everyday..to yourself and to others.

Sherry

I love your story I was wondering if I could get some advice from you I have had TN for 10 years and took medication for it but I would still get the severe pain every day for weeks straight but then all of a sudden they were gone for a year or so but then they came back more often than before they just keep coming and going I’ve had MRI done and everything came back normal do u think I could be a candidate for mvd

Thank you, Sherry! So happy you are out of pain. I love Maui by the way (got to visit a couple of years back - beautiful!).

Alicia - I'm so sorry that you have been suffering for so long. I never had the pain leave all the way (just controlled somewhat by meds) but I only had symptoms for 9 months so perhaps if had waited for my MVD, I would have experienced a remission at some point but I'll never know. Both of my MRI's came back "normal" but I pressed on and visited three neurosurgeons. The third one I visited, Dr. Casey, saw the compression that the other's missed. My advice would be to seek out a second or third opinion and try to see a surgeon who is very experienced with TN and MVD surgery.

Sorry to interject here, but I wonder if I am the only one old enough to remember "Man, Woman, Birth, Death, Infinity" Dr. Ben Casey the neuro surgery resident "fighting the Medical Establishment" TV series from the mid sixties and of course Dr. Zorba. I got a chuckle about your doc anyway................. They used the same OR used in Code Black.

mybell said:

Thank you, Sherry! So happy you are out of pain. I love Maui by the way (got to visit a couple of years back - beautiful!).

Alicia - I'm so sorry that you have been suffering for so long. I never had the pain leave all the way (just controlled somewhat by meds) but I only had symptoms for 9 months so perhaps if had waited for my MVD, I would have experienced a remission at some point but I'll never know. Both of my MRI's came back "normal" but I pressed on and visited three neurosurgeons. The third one I visited, Dr. Casey, saw the compression that the other's missed. My advice would be to seek out a second or third opinion and try to see a surgeon who is very experienced with TN and MVD surgery.

Thank you for sharing your story, especially in such a clear, straightforward way. I was diagnosed with TN in January 2012 and had an MVD in December 2013. Unfortunately, it did not work as well for me. I still take 200 mg. of carbamazepine daily, but that is a huge improvement from 1200 mg. plus 30 mg. of baclofen. As time goes on, I am learning that my TN is closely linked with my TMJ. Unlike some people, I am blessed to have a wonderful dentist. My TN started after a regular dental cleaning. Although it took 3 more appointments, it was my dentist who diagnosed my TN. During the time between the cleaning and the diagnosis, he never once considered any invasive treatment such as a root canal or an extraction. He worked with me by adjusting the night time bite guard I wear, but would not do anything more until we could figure out what was going on.

I have had some bad flare ups in the last 6 months, but they seem related more to my TMJ than the TN. The pain is totally different. He continues to work with me, and right now I am doing ok. I've definitely learned to take it one day at a time. I am happy for anyone who can find relief, whether through medicine or surgery.

TN has changed me over the past 4 years. It has taken away some of the joy I once had for life. Despite being mostly pain free for the majority of the time, I know the TN monster still lurks inside me and can rear its gruesome head at any time. For today, however, I will go sit on my porch, in the sunshine, and enjoy the beauty of the changing leaves. Continued best wishes!

Hi Mybell, an excellent piece of writing, and great that you put it out there to share with people who have no knowledge of the condition.

I was particularly interested to read of your fun with Carbamazepine side effects. I've been on the drug for about a year an a half and I've had progressively worse side effects with it, including neutropenia, hypothyroidism, erythema multiform rash and various other of the more 'common' side effects such as staggering, memory loss, exhaustion, insomnia etc. My favourite though is hallucinations. I still get these when the dose is changed. The worst though is suicidal thoughts, which are random and bizarre and occur with no connection to mood. Those are truly frightening. Fortunately I only get those when the dose is changed, but they are still VERY hard to deal with.

I've always had great difficulty having side effects taken seriously and even now my doc is always trying to belittle them. It took me fourteen months to have my erythema multiform rash acknowledged let alone diagnosed! So thank you, it's very reassuring to know I'm not the only person going through ridiculous side effects and great to have someone acknowledge just how badly they can impact on your life. Thank you.

Mybell,

You've rocked my complacency and resignation, though I am not yet so resigned that I've gone quiet, so

to speak. Sure would be curious if there are others with pure type 2 TN that have had effective invasive

interventions. Anyway, I hope that your post brings out such a response.

Meanwhile, I think I am waiting for the easy peasy sillver bullet....gene therapy or something.

Already explored stem cell injections...and have come to the conclusion..."snake oil" for the time

being.

As an old--very old now--newspaper editor and sometime journalism teacher and book writer, let me say first I bow to the excellence of this piece. Brava!

However, I cannot bow to its unintended optimism about Microvascular Decompression. After years of screaming and hollering when TN seized my body and raggedity remaining soul, I dumped all the potions prescribed for me and opted for MVD with the lead brain surgeon at the University of Washington School of Medicine. I went through all the nasty pre-ops procedures, said good-bye to my wife and son, wheeled away to the operating theater. Eight hours later I awoke with nurses peering at me. I hollered and twisted. TGN was still with me. The operating team was disappointed. And so was I.

Three days after being let out of the hospital, I came back, in a special ambulance, with two nurses in moon suits with me, caring for my swollen face. I had a little leakage from my brain, about a quart dragging my cheek down to my Adam's Apple. And I had a little infection from bugs that thanks to computer transmissions puzzled all the bug docs in western Washington state--hence the moon suits.

I spent the next three weeks back in University Hospital getting a kind visit from the Medical Schools chief bug specialist congratulating me on having a microbe that no one in the U.S. could identify. So for the next three weeks I was plugged into a super cocktail of bug and virus killers. It, alas, did not contain gin. And to get rid of the juice pouring past the bad plug in my skull, I enjoyed three spinal taps. A wonderful way to stay awake, believe me. I did, however, become pals with a daily parade of Medical School students of all sorts. The only thing I did not do for them was die. At last, my surgeon had me wheeled off again for another operation, this one to cement over that hole in my skull. All during this time I had my daily parade of TN attacks, despite my diet of anti-TN pills.

At last I went home to enjoy TN in familiar surroundings. The TN pills did soften the attacks. They also made me giddy, dopepy, dozy and dumb.

So two years latter, I signed up for Radiosurgery, for having the TN nerve zapped by radiation. That only took a day's prep, no brain cutting, lots of jokes with the nurses, and once over, I got up, wished everybody good-bye, and with my wife headed for a good jazz bar. The next morning we drove home. Halfway there, I damn drove off the freeway at 75 mph. Old TGN whacked me again. Predictably, the docs said. It will go away. I believed them. It did, a couple of weeks later. A month later, I was fly fishing in the Skagit River, butt deep, when whap! The TGN attack dropped me into the river. I still brag about being the only person in the world who was drowning and enjoying a tic attack at the same time.

I reverted to pills. Two years later, disgusted with them, I enjoyed Radiofrequency Lesioning, doctor talk and name for running a hot needle up the nerve while he or she asks, "do you feel that?" It is not for nothing you are wrapped in a tight straight jacket strapped to the table while you answer. The jacket keeps you from punching the doc, or jumping from the operating table, or both. After an hour of that, I could honestly answer I could not feel anything on the left side of my face. A bit tired, I trudge d off to the jazz bar again with my wife and ordered a double martini, with two olives and a lime twist. On my second such I had a TGN attack second to none.

That was in 2011. In 2012 I ferried my zapping face to a head-pain specialist in Anacortes, WA. He said he would work with me to find the right combination of drugs that might keep the pain away. After six months, we did, for me. It is Gabapentin 800-mg and Lacosamide 150-mg and Acyclovir 400-mg. (I am a big guy.) Lacosamide in this country is known only and sold only as Vimpat. Depending, it sells here for $600 to $800 for a months supply. I buy my supply in India, where, with postage, it costs a buck a pill. Acyclovirt keeps down the Herpes virus. I am convinced thatthe Herpes virus causes TGN far more often than doctors say or think about. I've had Chicken Pox, Shingles and lip blisters, nice things Herpes causes.

I add my history as a cautionary footnote to the essay we're all responding to. And to say, don't give up; and find the physician who knows something about TGN and will work with you over and over to put TGN asleep, whether with the knife or the radioactive buzz or with needle or with the right chemistry. It's better than suffering this goddamned pain.

Please provide me with contact information for Dr. Ken Casey. I am suffering with TN to the point I don't know what to do. It is debilitating and I'd like your help. There is a Dr. Ken Casey in Pittsburgh, PA, Riverview, MI, Troy, MI, etc. Please provide me with his contact information as soon as possible. Thank you.

Theresa, I removed your email from the post above. You don't want the spammers we get visiting harvesting it. You can always friend Mybell and exchange information more safely. Dr. Carson's information BTW is in the Bens Friends Doc Data Base in the Tab labeled Doc appointment. Just follow the links: or try this:

http://doctors.bensfriends.org/doctors/physicians/21/

Good luck. We are all with you.

Terri . . Here is his website with all his contact information: http://www.drkencasey.net

Oldwader . . First, thank you so much for the praise. It means a lot coming from someone with your extensive experience in Journalism. I knew my Journalism degree would pay off one day! I'm so sorry for your ordeals with TN. This beast has knocked us all to the ground, sometimes over and over again. I am glad though that you did not lose hope and persevered to get to where you are now even though it is not a perfect solution. Thank you for reminding us that one size does not fit all with this disease.