Help!

I have just returned from my first visit with my new neurologist. I was originally diagnosed with TN 5 months ago from several doctors and 1 neurologist. I was not happy with the neurologist so I asked to see another one. My basic history is: electric, stabbing intermittent pain in upper and lower jaw and 24/7 burning pressure in ear all on my right side. Tegretol has taken the majority of the pain away.

The new neurologist was very nice and spent a lot of time with me. He has told me the following:

- He confirms I have neuralgia but not sure yet what type (possibly atypical) but feels I am too young for TN (I am 42). He also said TN sufferers do not have pain on both sides. I have had rare, slight breakthrough pain on my left side

-Since I have been quite sick since the fall of last year, he thinks that a virus?? (not shingles) has caused this neuralgia and that my body tries to fight it but destroys the myelin around the nerve. Once I rid the virus the myelin will restore itself and the neuralgia will disappear.

-He has ordered a contrast MRI in 6 months and I will see him following that. He did say that 50-60% of MRI's do not reveal any compression.

-I am to continue with tegretol (700 mgs) and when I don't feel breakthrough pain, to reduce by 100 mg every 2 weeks. I told him that if I forget to take my pill, my pain starts to come through within hours so I really don't feel that I will be decreasing any time soon. If anything the pain is getting stronger.

-When I told him I am scared of being on Tegretol for the rest of my life he said that if it is TN then he will refer me to a neurosurgeon for possible MVD.

-He feels that I will not have this neuralgia?? forever.

It sounds like it could be great news but I have not found any literature on what he has said and it has left me more confused. Should I be celebrating or looking for a new neurologist? I really just feel frustrated because in my heart I know that I have TN1 and TN2. We are very limited on neurologists -- I had to drive 3 hours to see this one. Sigh!

Hi, Collette— My PCP, in year three of this adventure, thought the TN was from a virus. I just smiled and thought, you’ll get schooled on this, I’m sure, before my next yearly appt. He did, and has been a godsend to both my husband and I. Keep in mind that most docs do not know very much about this unless they are a neurologist or neurosurgeon, or maybe they’ve studied up on it. It is rare, so their hands are not in this disorder until one of us warriors walk through the door. Our greatest weapon is knowledge about TN. It took my hubby and I a very long time to get a handle on this disorder. I don’t want to scare you, but when I first showed the awful symptoms, tegretol was the first line of defense along with Paxil, which later became an enemy. (Another story.) My skin became yellow, along wiith my eyes. When I found out that blood tests should be done with using tegretol, I was so disappointed in my neurologist. I became hyper vigilant about my care. I refused to continue to take meds that were so exhausting and worked with the docs to go down the list of meds until I found a mild side effect med that would help me function well. At the time, my business was thriving and my kids were two, three and nine. I finally settled on neurontin, along with six other meds that are rotated (this is after two gamma knife surgeries and one MVD.). Botox is one of the meds, in the form of the treatment for migraine. And, I recently switched to Gralise, a time release neurontin. I manage very well for four out of seven weeks. Pain control is a beautiful thing…and it takes a while to get it right for your system. YOU are a strong TN warrior who is armed with knowledge that grows each day. Fear is present when we look at the future and it’s prospects. But, if we look at this one day at a time, we function really well :smiley: I wish you many blessings!
Sincerely,
Lynda

I'm sorry your doctor needs to learn more. You can be 10 years old and have TN

You can have TN on both sides - just go up to the search box and type bilateral

If at all possible - go to the new tab up there somewhere and look at doctors we recommend

Most important - keep reading and posting!

LyndaS -- you are a super warrior. I have read many of your responses to people and I am on this forum because of people like you.

I am getting my blood work checked periodically so that is good.

I like what you said about fear of future and its prospects. My dad has always said to take one day at a time and I have always applied it to my life, but with the side effects and this pain I guess I don't want one of these days for the rest of my life. I was hoping this neurologist would have more knowledge and be able to try different meds. It takes soooo long to get on a wait list and there are so few neurologists on Vancouver Island.

How did your neurologist gain more knowledge over the years?

Thank you,

Collette



LyndaS said:

Hi, Collette— My PCP, in year three of this adventure, thought the TN was from a virus. I just smiled and thought, you'll get schooled on this, I'm sure, before my next yearly appt. He did, and has been a godsend to both my husband and I. Keep in mind that most docs do not know very much about this unless they are a neurologist or neurosurgeon, or maybe they've studied up on it. It is rare, so their hands are not in this disorder until one of us warriors walk through the door. Our greatest weapon is knowledge about TN. It took my hubby and I a very long time to get a handle on this disorder. I don't want to scare you, but when I first showed the awful symptoms, tegretol was the first line of defense along with Paxil, which later became an enemy. (Another story.) My skin became yellow, along wiith my eyes. When I found out that blood tests should be done with using tegretol, I was so disappointed in my neurologist. I became hyper vigilant about my care. I refused to continue to take meds that were so exhausting and worked with the docs to go down the list of meds until I found a mild side effect med that would help me function well. At the time, my business was thriving and my kids were two, three and nine. I finally settled on neurontin, along with six other meds that are rotated (this is after two gamma knife surgeries and one MVD.). Botox is one of the meds, in the form of the treatment for migraine. And, I recently switched to Gralise, a time release neurontin. I manage very well for four out of seven weeks. Pain control is a beautiful thing...and it takes a while to get it right for your system. YOU are a strong TN warrior who is armed with knowledge that grows each day. Fear is present when we look at the future and it's prospects. But, if we look at this one day at a time, we function really well :D I wish you many blessings!
Sincerely,
Lynda

Good morning, Collette—

Thanks for your kind words, fellow super-warrior :D In addition to the one day at a time thing, sometimes when the pain is super bad, one hour at a time works, or one minute at a time. I use the birth training for breathing and focusing on other things to help with the pain. God knows that at it's worst level, it's as high as second stage labor! When you're pushing your sweet baby out into a new world, different from what they've come to know in the womb! Docs get this analogy, but people who don't know this level of pain may NEVER, EVER know what you're talking about. They have no way of knowing, so I just talk about other things with these people.

The sad fact with my neurologist is that he had/has several TN patients. He was very good at dx, but the follow through on the tegretol blood tests is something where he dropped the ball. Here in my neighborhood, we have few neurologist to choose from as well, but we can go north or south to find many. OHSU is pretty close, it's where Dr. Burchiel works, who is on the board at the TNA site and has helped many people with this problem by the MVD practice of putting a teflon disc between the nerve and offending artery (usually not shown in the MRI!!). I chose Dr. Carson at Johns Hopkins for many reasons. Mostly because he uses muscle from the scalp to painstakingly wrap around the nerve to push the offending artery up off the nerve. He is one of the most caring doctors I have ever met. He has a movie out based on his book, Gifted Hands. Cuba Gooding, Jr. is the actor who plays Dr. Carson.The movie is great, the book is better! He has other books I checked out at the library. He is so down to earth in his writing, you forget he is a world renown pediatric neurosurgeon!

I don't go to the neurologist anymore because the Gamma Knife surgeries left me with a majorly damaged nerve that grew back 2x, and pains me greatly. Plus, on top of all the burning pain, the painful numbness that waxes and wanes is considered anesthesia dolorosa…a road the totally bites, for sure! (Did I just say that out loud?? :D)

My PCP is one that studies up on things in the medical field that he is not fully schooled on…he did his research himself and with each new year, he is more and more encouraging and knowledgeable about this TN problem AND how it effects my sweet hubby :-) Last I saw this PCP, I was concerned that over time (it's been 10 years now), my body would completely break down due to the meds that are needed to keep the pain at bay. His response was epic…he said that if I managed well so far, I should be able to manage these chemicals throughout my lifetime. He did take a huge weight of stress off of my shoulders with this response.

It's so important to find a doc you like, Collette. And, one that is up to par on TN. Is Seattle too far for you to travel to see one of the specialists up there? I understand there are a few that know a lot about this disease. I'm not sure if your insurance carries over to the US, or if you can get an insurance here that can cover you pretty inexpensively, but it may be worth a try? Some people qualify for free care because this disease is so horrid!

Know that it took a good 5 years to finally get this TN monster to a place where meds would control it. Two Gamma Knife Surgeries and one MVD, add 5 years to the mix and I have found relief. The sad fact is that these meds could loose their ability to tend to the pain on my face and scalp. I don't know. I do know that the strategy to rotate more than 1/2 of them, I am kind of tricking my body into NOT getting used to any one med. Nothing is more discouraging than to have your meds fail. Then you go back to step one on the drawing board! Horrible, horrible, horrible…BUT, it is the face of TN and we need to work toward accepting the cards that are dealt (not to be harsh, my friend). BUT, with acceptance in one hand, we can take HOPE in the other and believe that God will one day provide either a remission for us, or the proper med to treat our personal case. He knows our pain, this is not a surprise to Him. It's Him, Collette, that I trust for the right treatments, not the docs. I completely trust Him, and value the docs He opens the door for me to see. I do my best to work with the docs, as we really are a team to battle the TN symptoms.

If you'd like to msg me, please do. I'm not always on the site, but try to check in regularly. It's people like you that keep me on this site, Collette. Your strength and tenacity is amazing and is something others can glean from. Don't cut yourself short on the fact that others may shrink at this disease, yet YOU DO NOT SHRINK. You're open, honest and that is so refreshing! I'm just so sorry that we met because of this pain, I wish it were under different circumstances :-), but am so glad to call you friend!

Sincerely,

LyndaS



collette said:

LyndaS -- you are a super warrior. I have read many of your responses to people and I am on this forum because of people like you.

I am getting my blood work checked periodically so that is good.

I like what you said about fear of future and its prospects. My dad has always said to take one day at a time and I have always applied it to my life, but with the side effects and this pain I guess I don't want one of these days for the rest of my life. I was hoping this neurologist would have more knowledge and be able to try different meds. It takes soooo long to get on a wait list and there are so few neurologists on Vancouver Island.

How did your neurologist gain more knowledge over the years?

Thank you,

Collette



LyndaS said:

Hi, Collette— My PCP, in year three of this adventure, thought the TN was from a virus. I just smiled and thought, you'll get schooled on this, I'm sure, before my next yearly appt. He did, and has been a godsend to both my husband and I. Keep in mind that most docs do not know very much about this unless they are a neurologist or neurosurgeon, or maybe they've studied up on it. It is rare, so their hands are not in this disorder until one of us warriors walk through the door. Our greatest weapon is knowledge about TN. It took my hubby and I a very long time to get a handle on this disorder. I don't want to scare you, but when I first showed the awful symptoms, tegretol was the first line of defense along with Paxil, which later became an enemy. (Another story.) My skin became yellow, along wiith my eyes. When I found out that blood tests should be done with using tegretol, I was so disappointed in my neurologist. I became hyper vigilant about my care. I refused to continue to take meds that were so exhausting and worked with the docs to go down the list of meds until I found a mild side effect med that would help me function well. At the time, my business was thriving and my kids were two, three and nine. I finally settled on neurontin, along with six other meds that are rotated (this is after two gamma knife surgeries and one MVD.). Botox is one of the meds, in the form of the treatment for migraine. And, I recently switched to Gralise, a time release neurontin. I manage very well for four out of seven weeks. Pain control is a beautiful thing...and it takes a while to get it right for your system. YOU are a strong TN warrior who is armed with knowledge that grows each day. Fear is present when we look at the future and it's prospects. But, if we look at this one day at a time, we function really well :D I wish you many blessings!
Sincerely,
Lynda

So glad we help you in some way. I am really tired of not being able to trust the doctors, of waiting so long to see them only to find out they know less than you. Thank god for having all of you is all that I can say -- I would be so lost otherwise!!!! You all give me strength. Thank you!



serena said:

Lynda and Collette, you are both just terrific. I needed to see this thread today, I have been so discouraged, feeling like it is going to be, essentially, up to me to treat myself. That might end up being the case, but when I read posts like yours, I feel much more up to the challenge.
When the pain is not controlled, it is easy to feel like this is the "new normal" and to lose hope. Thank you both, XO, S

My neuro believes that TN can be caused by viruses too - herpes, lupus, ms, etc. You said that you haven’t been feeling well - have you had bloodwork done for autoimmune issues?

Whether or not my TN was caused by the herpes virus remaines up in the air and doesn’t change the way my neuro is treating me. I don’t know if it is because she was previously treating me for migraines, or that I have treated Graves disease (an autoimmune disease) and still have positive antibodies on my bloodwork… I think that you know your body. You’ve been in it for 42 years. The best thing I did was take all the info I could find here and everything I googled and ask questions. If you are not comfortable coming off your meds then don’t until you fully understand your dx and are comfortable with your dr. Keep looking - you will find it!

Hi Jennifer,

I have been tested for Myasthenia gravis because I mentioned that my eye muscle becomes weak at night and because of my extreme fatigue. The blood work was normal.

I have thyroid nodules that I will have ultrasound again in 3 months but my TSH, T3 and T4 levels were normal. Graves disease symptoms certainly fit me to a T.

I do have low B12.My mother has thyroid issues and a goiter and has low B12.

I have been tested for Celiacs twice through bloodwork because my sister and niece have Celiacs but my bloodwork was normal. I have gone on a gluten free diet for 3-4 months and when I cheat I have extreme left stomach pain within a short time. My doctor says I must be sensitive to gluten but does not understand that bloodwork is the only true test. I will continue to eat gluten free.

My other sister has colitis and has low B12.

I have a sister that passed away at 39 with pancreatic cancer.

I know there is something wrong with me and that an autoimmune disorder is there which is why my body has to fight so hard when I get a simple cold and why I continuously get infections. The antibodies are destroying my myelin sheath which is why I have TN.

I find it so tiring to look information up, going to doctors who rely on machines or one test and dealing with the fatigue and pain. But of course I will continue and keep looking, but sometimes you feel like you are going crazy.

I find that with the tegretol I don't have any more migraines or headaches. When the other neuro had me try gabapentin I my headaches return. Are you still getting migraines?

Is your Graves under control with medicine? How were you tested for it? How is your Tn pain? How are you doing?

The neuro did not want me to decrease my tegretol dose unless I had no breakthrough pain. My pain has only kept increasing, hence the dose increasing so I am not sure what he expects.

Thank you for your advice and I hope you are having a pain free day.



Jennifer G said:

My neuro believes that TN can be caused by viruses too - herpes, lupus, ms, etc. You said that you haven't been feeling well - have you had bloodwork done for autoimmune issues?

Whether or not my TN was caused by the herpes virus remaines up in the air and doesn't change the way my neuro is treating me. I don't know if it is because she was previously treating me for migraines, or that I have treated Graves disease (an autoimmune disease) and still have positive antibodies on my bloodwork.... I think that you know your body. You've been in it for 42 years. The best thing I did was take all the info I could find here and everything I googled and ask questions. If you are not comfortable coming off your meds then don't until you fully understand your dx and are comfortable with your dr. Keep looking - you will find it!

I am sorry to hear that your sister passed away and so young.
From dealing with my thyroid disease, my endocrinologist watches my b12 and vitamin D. Both were low for me, so I take supplements.
A blood test confirmed my Graves disease - the positive antibodies confirmed it was autoimmune. At that point I had lost 20 lbs, had tachycardia (fast heart rate even at rest) and numerous other symptoms. I was a mess. I had my thyroid killed off with a radio iodine treatment, which means I am now hypothyroid and I have to take thyroid simulating meds every day. It took me 3 years to get those meds right because my body functions better on the high side of normal (meaning my thyroid levels), and it took me changing doctors to get someone to understand that.

Gabapentin at this dose (900mg +) makes me more headachy. I’ve had 1 migraine since starting Gabapentin, and it caused me to have an extremely bad TN episode.

My neuro has said that it it likely to have more then one autoimmune disease at once, so we watch…

I do hope that you find a doctor that you trust and that you get relief soon.



collette said:

Hi Jennifer,

I have been tested for Myasthenia gravis because I mentioned that my eye muscle becomes weak at night and because of my extreme fatigue. The blood work was normal.

I have thyroid nodules that I will have ultrasound again in 3 months but my TSH, T3 and T4 levels were normal. Graves disease symptoms certainly fit me to a T.

I do have low B12.My mother has thyroid issues and a goiter and has low B12.

I have been tested for Celiacs twice through bloodwork because my sister and niece have Celiacs but my bloodwork was normal. I have gone on a gluten free diet for 3-4 months and when I cheat I have extreme left stomach pain within a short time. My doctor says I must be sensitive to gluten but does not understand that bloodwork is the only true test. I will continue to eat gluten free.

My other sister has colitis and has low B12.

I have a sister that passed away at 39 with pancreatic cancer.

I know there is something wrong with me and that an autoimmune disorder is there which is why my body has to fight so hard when I get a simple cold and why I continuously get infections. The antibodies are destroying my myelin sheath which is why I have TN.

I find it so tiring to look information up, going to doctors who rely on machines or one test and dealing with the fatigue and pain. But of course I will continue and keep looking, but sometimes you feel like you are going crazy.

I find that with the tegretol I don't have any more migraines or headaches. When the other neuro had me try gabapentin I my headaches return. Are you still getting migraines?

Is your Graves under control with medicine? How were you tested for it? How is your Tn pain? How are you doing?

The neuro did not want me to decrease my tegretol dose unless I had no breakthrough pain. My pain has only kept increasing, hence the dose increasing so I am not sure what he expects.

Thank you for your advice and I hope you are having a pain free day.



Jennifer G said:

My neuro believes that TN can be caused by viruses too - herpes, lupus, ms, etc. You said that you haven't been feeling well - have you had bloodwork done for autoimmune issues?

Whether or not my TN was caused by the herpes virus remaines up in the air and doesn't change the way my neuro is treating me. I don't know if it is because she was previously treating me for migraines, or that I have treated Graves disease (an autoimmune disease) and still have positive antibodies on my bloodwork.... I think that you know your body. You've been in it for 42 years. The best thing I did was take all the info I could find here and everything I googled and ask questions. If you are not comfortable coming off your meds then don't until you fully understand your dx and are comfortable with your dr. Keep looking - you will find it!

Have you been tested for Lyme disease?

Funny you should ask that. I was tested in Canada twice which came up negative, but Canada's testing is inaccurate. Everything was pointing to Lyme's so I sent my bloodwork to Igenex in California and just found out that I do not have Lyme's. Good news but still no answers.

crystalv said:

Have you been tested for Lyme disease?

Band 23 (I think that’s the one) comes up positive for me on the Lyme test. When I read the fine print on the lab results it says that autoimmune diseases can cause false positives on Lyme tests.

Thanks Jennifer,

Good to hear your B12 and vitamin D are being monitored and that your thyroid issue is under control. Getting the right doctor is key.

When I went to the Endocrinologist my heart rate was high and I've been checking it now and then and it is high too. He thought I had 1 of 3 three things. Myasthenia gravis, early menopause or thyroid cancer. Blood tests showed negative for the first two. I see him again in 3 months after the ultrasound on my thyroid nodes and then he might take a biopsy of the node.

How long did the migraine cause your TN to flare up? I had my first migraine since tegretol last week and noticed the TN get stronger. I went for cranial therapy and the migraine went away within an hour. It didn't help the TN but I will try again next week. The therapist did not work on my cranium but other areas. I do not understand it but have heard it might help.

Keep in touch.



Jennifer G said:

I am sorry to hear that your sister passed away and so young.
From dealing with my thyroid disease, my endocrinologist watches my b12 and vitamin D. Both were low for me, so I take supplements.
A blood test confirmed my Graves disease - the positive antibodies confirmed it was autoimmune. At that point I had lost 20 lbs, had tachycardia (fast heart rate even at rest) and numerous other symptoms. I was a mess. I had my thyroid killed off with a radio iodine treatment, which means I am now hypothyroid and I have to take thyroid simulating meds every day. It took me 3 years to get those meds right because my body functions better on the high side of normal (meaning my thyroid levels), and it took me changing doctors to get someone to understand that.

Gabapentin at this dose (900mg +) makes me more headachy. I've had 1 migraine since starting Gabapentin, and it caused me to have an extremely bad TN episode.

My neuro has said that it it likely to have more then one autoimmune disease at once, so we watch...

I do hope that you find a doctor that you trust and that you get relief soon.




collette said:

Hi Jennifer,

I have been tested for Myasthenia gravis because I mentioned that my eye muscle becomes weak at night and because of my extreme fatigue. The blood work was normal.

I have thyroid nodules that I will have ultrasound again in 3 months but my TSH, T3 and T4 levels were normal. Graves disease symptoms certainly fit me to a T.

I do have low B12.My mother has thyroid issues and a goiter and has low B12.

I have been tested for Celiacs twice through bloodwork because my sister and niece have Celiacs but my bloodwork was normal. I have gone on a gluten free diet for 3-4 months and when I cheat I have extreme left stomach pain within a short time. My doctor says I must be sensitive to gluten but does not understand that bloodwork is the only true test. I will continue to eat gluten free.

My other sister has colitis and has low B12.

I have a sister that passed away at 39 with pancreatic cancer.

I know there is something wrong with me and that an autoimmune disorder is there which is why my body has to fight so hard when I get a simple cold and why I continuously get infections. The antibodies are destroying my myelin sheath which is why I have TN.

I find it so tiring to look information up, going to doctors who rely on machines or one test and dealing with the fatigue and pain. But of course I will continue and keep looking, but sometimes you feel like you are going crazy.

I find that with the tegretol I don't have any more migraines or headaches. When the other neuro had me try gabapentin I my headaches return. Are you still getting migraines?

Is your Graves under control with medicine? How were you tested for it? How is your Tn pain? How are you doing?

The neuro did not want me to decrease my tegretol dose unless I had no breakthrough pain. My pain has only kept increasing, hence the dose increasing so I am not sure what he expects.

Thank you for your advice and I hope you are having a pain free day.



Jennifer G said:

My neuro believes that TN can be caused by viruses too - herpes, lupus, ms, etc. You said that you haven't been feeling well - have you had bloodwork done for autoimmune issues?

Whether or not my TN was caused by the herpes virus remaines up in the air and doesn't change the way my neuro is treating me. I don't know if it is because she was previously treating me for migraines, or that I have treated Graves disease (an autoimmune disease) and still have positive antibodies on my bloodwork.... I think that you know your body. You've been in it for 42 years. The best thing I did was take all the info I could find here and everything I googled and ask questions. If you are not comfortable coming off your meds then don't until you fully understand your dx and are comfortable with your dr. Keep looking - you will find it!

I am booked for June 22nd. The surgeon doing it travels all over B.C. to do surgery so that is when he comes to my city. He does not have an office for me to go to. I did not realize it was dangerous to the nerve. I was on antibiotics 2 weeks ago because it became abscessed. He is going to do a root canal on the cracked tooth and remove the cyst through the root canal. I will not have a consult with him until right before the procedure.

Cleo said:

Colette, did you have the cyst and bad tooth removed yet? do you understand how dangerous it is to your nerve?

You may want to speak with your neuro about your upcoming dental procedure. They may want to increase your medication and give you something for break through pain just incase. Also, make sure your dentist is aware that you have TN and understands what is.

Even having my teeth cleaned causes pain for me. But I most recently had to have a filling fixed on my infected side and caused horrible break through pain. Not trying to scare you, but just prepare you.

I am also on tegretol and having been getting liver function tested every month. Tegretol is the only med that has been able to help with pain relief consistently. However, I unfortunately have all the bad side effects. Liver funstion is bad, nausea, headaches, etc. That's why I am now looking into surgery options.

I also have my medical care through the VA, so I don't really have a choice in my doctors and surgeons. I have been lucky thus far.

It's a difficult road, but people have positive results every day. Just keep in mind you are your own best advocate and don't lose hope.



collette said:

I am booked for June 22nd. The surgeon doing it travels all over B.C. to do surgery so that is when he comes to my city. He does not have an office for me to go to. I did not realize it was dangerous to the nerve. I was on antibiotics 2 weeks ago because it became abscessed. He is going to do a root canal on the cracked tooth and remove the cyst through the root canal. I will not have a consult with him until right before the procedure.

Cleo said:

Colette, did you have the cyst and bad tooth removed yet? do you understand how dangerous it is to your nerve?

Thanks for your advice. The neurologist knows about the procedure and did not say anything. I don't get to talk to the surgeon until the day of the procedure. I think I will add 100 mgs this week to prepare. Apparantly the surgeon is aware of my TN and is an expert on facial pain.

I am getting my tegretol level checked tomorrow morning (every 2 months). Sorry to hear it did not work for you. Are you booked for surgery?

Mandie said:

You may want to speak with your neuro about your upcoming dental procedure. They may want to increase your medication and give you something for break through pain just incase. Also, make sure your dentist is aware that you have TN and understands what is.

Even having my teeth cleaned causes pain for me. But I most recently had to have a filling fixed on my infected side and caused horrible break through pain. Not trying to scare you, but just prepare you.

I am also on tegretol and having been getting liver function tested every month. Tegretol is the only med that has been able to help with pain relief consistently. However, I unfortunately have all the bad side effects. Liver funstion is bad, nausea, headaches, etc. That's why I am now looking into surgery options.

I also have my medical care through the VA, so I don't really have a choice in my doctors and surgeons. I have been lucky thus far.

It's a difficult road, but people have positive results every day. Just keep in mind you are your own best advocate and don't lose hope.



collette said:

I am booked for June 22nd. The surgeon doing it travels all over B.C. to do surgery so that is when he comes to my city. He does not have an office for me to go to. I did not realize it was dangerous to the nerve. I was on antibiotics 2 weeks ago because it became abscessed. He is going to do a root canal on the cracked tooth and remove the cyst through the root canal. I will not have a consult with him until right before the procedure.

Cleo said:

Colette, did you have the cyst and bad tooth removed yet? do you understand how dangerous it is to your nerve?

I remember you sending a video that I could not watch (squeamish). Sorry sometimes I look back at discussions that I have been in and I cannot even remember them. My mind is not what it normally is. I will try to have a look. Thanks Cleo.



Cleo said:

i sent you a couple of helpful links on that somewhere...

No, not yet. The neurosurgeon wants a current MRI which I have tomorrow. Then I will have some difficult choices to make.

Like I say to people: Everyone in life has challenges or struggles, this is just mine.

collette said:

Thanks for your advice. The neurologist knows about the procedure and did not say anything. I don't get to talk to the surgeon until the day of the procedure. I think I will add 100 mgs this week to prepare. Apparantly the surgeon is aware of my TN and is an expert on facial pain.

I am getting my tegretol level checked tomorrow morning (every 2 months). Sorry to hear it did not work for you. Are you booked for surgery?

Hi Collette. I'm so sorry you are going through such terrible pain and to have a neurologist tell you that it may not be TN for sure. He needs to do more research. I gave my Neurologist a copy of End the Pain, which helped him in prescribing meds.

Your Dr. is wrong. Lots of people have it on both sides. I have TN on both sides. It started out on my Left side in my optic nerve area only. The Emerg. Dr. told me I had a sinus infection and gave me an antibiotic...which obviously, didn't help a bit. After 2 years of intense pain, and trials of every medication I could take.

I too am Canadian and I had a MVD in Winnipeg by Dr. A. Kaufmann. (Ask your Neurologist for a referral to see him.) (There is also a Dr. Kiss in Calgary who is a neurosurgeon), but he is number one in the country. The MVD seemed to work for a while, but then came back on both sides, but the right side was different - all 3 branches. I take approx. 1,200-1,400 mg. of Tegretol a day (every 4 hrs) and get my blood checked every 2-3 months which is very important.

You are not too young, as children are also diagnosed with this terrible thing. Naturopathic Drs seem to believe that it is a virus, but many of us who have had MVDs know that the pain is from a blood vessel, etc. pressing on the TNerve.

Keep doing your own research and become a warrior for your own health. I was just down in Mexico and had B12 shots every week for 2 months but unfortunately, it wasn't long enough to help me but I believe that they could and will try again.

I haven't been able to work for the past 5 yrs. and have finally just been approved for a permanent disability pension.

Wishing you pain free days and a final diagnosis and proper treatment. Hugs.

Bonnie

Hi Bonnie,

It is so nice to hear from another Canadian. I am sorry that your MVD was unsuccessful and that it is on the other side. Dr. Kaufman is the first choice for a neurosurgeon. The neurologist has sent 3 of his patients there. Do you know why it did not work? Are you considering a second one?

My pain is so minimal right now considering what it was like before tegretol. I will be on long term disability through my work starting next month -- I have used my sick time for the last 5 months. My job is quite demanding as I have to generate financial statements and other government reports for several facilities each month. Right now I find grocery shopping a challenge and overwhelming.

How do you find the cold in Fort Mac with your TN? Did your MRI show a compression? Why did you have B12 shots done in Mexico? Does your bloodwork show that you are low? I just buy mine at the pharmacy. I found it difficult to go every week for the injection as I am not driving on the meds so I just started the oral sublingual B12 vitamins.

I think I will stay with this Neuro and maybe give him the book Striking Back. I don't really have much of a choice and at least he acknowledges my questions and spends time explaining to me what he knows. Once he gets to know me I will provide him with literature like maybe 'Striking Back'. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Hugs back at ya!



Bonnie Gray said:

Hi Collette. I'm so sorry you are going through such terrible pain and to have a neurologist tell you that it may not be TN for sure. He needs to do more research. I gave my Neurologist a copy of End the Pain, which helped him in prescribing meds.

Your Dr. is wrong. Lots of people have it on both sides. I have TN on both sides. It started out on my Left side in my optic nerve area only. The Emerg. Dr. told me I had a sinus infection and gave me an antibiotic...which obviously, didn't help a bit. After 2 years of intense pain, and trials of every medication I could take.

I too am Canadian and I had a MVD in Winnipeg by Dr. A. Kaufmann. (Ask your Neurologist for a referral to see him.) (There is also a Dr. Kiss in Calgary who is a neurosurgeon), but he is number one in the country. The MVD seemed to work for a while, but then came back on both sides, but the right side was different - all 3 branches. I take approx. 1,200-1,400 mg. of Tegretol a day (every 4 hrs) and get my blood checked every 2-3 months which is very important.

You are not too young, as children are also diagnosed with this terrible thing. Naturopathic Drs seem to believe that it is a virus, but many of us who have had MVDs know that the pain is from a blood vessel, etc. pressing on the TNerve.

Keep doing your own research and become a warrior for your own health. I was just down in Mexico and had B12 shots every week for 2 months but unfortunately, it wasn't long enough to help me but I believe that they could and will try again.

I haven't been able to work for the past 5 yrs. and have finally just been approved for a permanent disability pension.

Wishing you pain free days and a final diagnosis and proper treatment. Hugs.

Bonnie