TN Association Re-classifies Atypical Facial Pain

The Medical Advisory Board of the Trigeminal Neuralgia Association has recently announced a new definition for so-called "Atypical Facial Pain". They now define the syndrome as " facial pain of obscure etiology." This change challenges the rest of the medical community to recognize that this diagnostic label is not a psychosomatic disorder, but rather an admission of ignorance. This is a profoundly positive step toward helping medical practitioners to release their hidebound insistence on the foolishness that depression causes face pain or can be "converted into" pain symptoms. It is also a step that I have personally been lobbying for over a year to bring about.

For details visit http://www.fpa-support.org/2011/10/facial-pain-experts-establish-a-new-pain-classification/

Discovery credit for this link goes to Gloria E, who first pointed it out to me. TNA didn't have even the minimal courtesy to tell me that they'd decided to agree with a position that I've been urging on their management and Medical Advisory Board for months.

Regards and best to all,

R.A. "Red" Lawhern, Ph.D.

Resident Research Analyst, LwTN

THANK YOU RED FOR YOUR TIRELESS EFFORTS AND COMPASSION AND CONCERN FOR ALL OF US WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN THE ATYPICAL FACIAL PAIN DIAGNOSIS!!!

We have a duty to those of us around the world who are stuck in the AFP delusion and need to spread the word and educate all of our doctors (primary care, neurologists, neurosurgeons and pain management specialists) that the re-classification has been made and that we deserve to be treated as real facial pain patients instead of crazy head cases.

Thanks for the acknowledgment, Gloria and Linda. Between you, you made my day. Linda be aware that Dr. Kim Burcheil on the OHSU medical center staff is a member of the Medical Advisory Board of the TN Association -- and a signatory to the recent article re-classifying "Atypical Facial Pain" as a set of symptoms of "obscure" etiology.

Regards all,

Red

I am a little confused. Does Type 2 TN equate with facial pain of obscure etiology? I like Type 2 TN better.

Type II TN is a legitimate variant on trigeminal nerve pain, which has a defined course of treatment by medication. Although there are unknown or uncertain aspects of mechanism in both Type I and Type II TN, both are treatable. Atypical Facial Pain comprises a different problem or problems, presently not at all well characterized and therefore "obscure". The important contribution of Jannetta et al, is the confirmation that Atypical Facial Pain is an imprecise diagnostic label by elimination and it is NOT a psychosomatic disorder treatable by psychologists.

Regards, Red

I had a life coach (not a licensed healthcare provider) hint to me a few times that my facial pain/head pain was psychosomatic. What gave his opinion some weight was that I was referred to him by a pain management specialist as part of my treatment. I would get furious whenever he went down that path, which in a way only seemed to make him feel he had proven his point. It was really ridiculous. This diagnostic label would have helped me deal with that line of "therapy" better.

Right now I am on something of a personal campaign to discredit and force the withdrawal of the entire classification of psychological mis-diagnoses called "conversion disorder", as well as to advocate for withdrawal of "Complex Somatiform Symptom Disorder" from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the APA. If you're still in contact with your former life coach, send him or her a link to the recent article. Such people really need their unexamined assumptions shaken to the core.

Keep on Truckin'

Red

Hi Linda.

I also live in Washington State. I received a proper diagnosis (ATN) from a neurosurgeon at University of Washington/Harborview. His name is Liligam Sekhar. When I saw him he was the head of the neurosurgery department. He performs MVD surgeries and only a few other skull-base surgeries and is regarded as one of the best in the world. He was very difficult to get into see. I had two interviews with his team via the phone and then they reviewed my records in a panel like setting and then accepted me as a patient.

Another doc who I have heard good things about is Dr. Mayberg who is at Virginia Mason... he performed a rhizotomy for my friend and reconstructive surgery of her skull. She had very good words. I found these two docs on the TNA webpage. This same friend also saw Dr. Burchiel at OHSU. She also had surgery there. If I can get a hold of her (she rarely answers her phone, is in horrible pain) I can ask her what her thoughts were about him as I don't quite remember. I have also contemplated going to OHSU, although I don't plan to have surgery any time soon.

Although I have not had surgery I was desperate to find a specialist and fast who could verify my GP's diagnosis, which was TN. I saw Sekhar in 2009. My MRI did show a blood vessel (vascular loop) contacting the trigeminal nerve. I am now headed to the UW Roosevelt Pain Clinic. Am chatting with my doctor on Monday to get a referral. According to the nurses at Roosevelt they have to doc's who specialize in TN. Since I am only looking for help with meds and more this is the route I will take.

I would LOVE to hear about the other folks you've seen in Seattle and how your visit to OHSU works out. Keep in touch if you like. I can also tell you more about my experience with doctors in our area if you like.

Take care. Johanna

Linda W said:

I went to see a neurosurgeon several days ago. I did extensive research into neurologists/neurosurgeons and TN in the Seattle area. His name came up (there were only two covered by my insurance). I was impressed that he had received his medical degree from Georgetown University and is an assistant professor at the University of Washington School of Medicine.

When I made my appointment, I was very clear that I did not have Classic TN (Type I) but that one specialist had tentatively diagnosed me as TN Type II and another as TNP (Trigeminal Neuropathic Pain). Either way, it is clear that my 24/7 headaches began immediately after my sinus surgery this past February.

I rounded up all my medical records, 3 CT scans, brain MRI, sinus x-ray, lumbar puncture, 4 sets of blood work, dental x-rays, the results of stool and urine testing that ruled out everything (the infectious disease specialist exams ensured there was nothing “hidden” in my auto immune system). I sent my neurologist notes, PCP notes, and notes from all the other specialists including my sinus surgery in Feb 2011 and again in Apr 2011.


I was very excited that I would be meeting with an expert to formally diagnose me. The nurse took a long time examining me, asking me questions, etc. I had also completed an online diagnostic questionnaire from Oregon Health & Sciences University that showed a tentative diagnosis of TNP. I completed 10 pages of pre-appointment paperwork, and the neurosurgeon had almost a week to study most everything.

Anyway, after the nurse left, after a very long wait, in walks the neurosurgeon, his nurse, a student of his, and a visiting doctor from China. Introductions were made and I thought, wow, this is like an episode of House!!! The neurosurgeon sits down, does no examination, and simply asked me, “Why are you here?” Okay… so I tell him.

He tells me I don’t have a “good enough story.” He acted like he only knew about Classic TN. I kept referring to it as TN Type I. I brought up TN Type II. I told him I have bilateral pain that moves around my face (from forehead into my upper teeth). He states with absolute certainty that no type of TN is bilateral. I begged to differ. Then I brought up TNP. He looked at me like I was crazy and like he had never heard the term before. I explained it to him (he must have really looked foolish – he IS a neurosurgeon and certainly I would expect a neurosurgeon would understand more about the trigeminal nerve). Nevertheless, I had done extensive “homework” and could talk intelligently (thanks in part to LwTN.org) about TN Type II and TNP and he could not.

I asked him what I had. His first response was “That is outside my area of expertise.” Well, I was not going to accept that kind of response. I knew that I would NOT leave until he recognized that I had bilateral trigeminal nerve pain. He finally agreed that, yes, I had (and these are his exact words) “bilateral trigeminal something.”

He then referred me to a pain specialist. Uh, no thanks. I am on Effexor for the depression (that only developed after months of being in pain) and Xanax to help me sleep. I have chosen at this time to not take any pain or anti seizure meds to help my brain clear up from when I was on Topamax (May-June) and Gabapentin (July through mid September) when my PCP took me off it (neither one ever worked, but that was the best the neurologist could do for me).

So, I went in search of where I found the diagnostic test (I gave the neurosurgeon my only copy), and found that it came from Oregon Health & Sciences University. I figured if they could write an online diagnostic tool, then certainly they should be able to help me. I called them a couple of days ago for an appointment and found out my PCP would need to fax a referral and my medical records to them. They would take 1-2 weeks to determine if they would accept me as a patient, and then I would be seen (or not, depending on their determination).

My PCP faxed over the referral and my medical records today. I am very hopeful I will get the diagnosis I need from OHSU. They are in Portland, which is about a 3 hour drive each way but well worth it in my eyes! I will keep everyone posted.

As many of you have mentioned long before I joined this board, we sometimes have to educate our providers. I just never thought I would have to educate a neurosurgeon who is also an assistant professor. Pity not just his students, but ultimately those students’ patients because they will be as ignorant as he is regarding the different types of TN.

I also want to say a huge thanks to you, Red, for the tireless work you do for all of us to educate us, inspire us, and teach us how to not take any crap from a doctor! :-)

Dear Johanna,

Found this on Vitals.com and I personally felt it wasn't very encouraging...but it also doesn't reflect surgical success rates either. I don't think those would be available unless he followed his patients and published the results.

Overall Average Patient Rating of Dr. Kim J Burchiel, MD is Moderate. Dr. Burchiel has been reviewed by 12 patients. The rating is 2.5 out of 4 stars.
Wait Time
The average wait time to see Dr. Burchiel according to patient reviews, is 35 minutes. By comparison, patients wait a national average of 21 minutes before seeing a doctor.

Patient Ratings
Dr. Burchiel is rated "GOOD" in the following areas:
Courteous Staff — 2.6
Accurate Diagnosis — 2.6

Dr. Burchiel is rated "FAIR" in the following areas:
Ease of Appointment — 2.3
Promptness — 1.9
Bedside Manner — 1.8
Spends Time with Me — 1.8
Follow Up — 1.8



Some ratings provided by DrScore



Johanna Smith said:

Hi Linda.

I also live in Washington State. I received a proper diagnosis (ATN) from a neurosurgeon at University of Washington/Harborview. His name is Liligam Sekhar. When I saw him he was the head of the neurosurgery department. He performs MVD surgeries and only a few other skull-base surgeries and is regarded as one of the best in the world. He was very difficult to get into see. I had two interviews with his team via the phone and then they reviewed my records in a panel like setting and then accepted me as a patient.

Another doc who I have heard good things about is Dr. Mayberg who is at Virginia Mason... he performed a rhizotomy for my friend and reconstructive surgery of her skull. She had very good words. I found these two docs on the TNA webpage. This same friend also saw Dr. Burchiel at OHSU. She also had surgery there. If I can get a hold of her (she rarely answers her phone, is in horrible pain) I can ask her what her thoughts were about him as I don't quite remember. I have also contemplated going to OHSU, although I don't plan to have surgery any time soon.

Although I have not had surgery I was desperate to find a specialist and fast who could verify my GP's diagnosis, which was TN. I saw Sekhar in 2009. My MRI did show a blood vessel (vascular loop) contacting the trigeminal nerve. I am now headed to the UW Roosevelt Pain Clinic. Am chatting with my doctor on Monday to get a referral. According to the nurses at Roosevelt they have to doc's who specialize in TN. Since I am only looking for help with meds and more this is the route I will take.

I would LOVE to hear about the other folks you've seen in Seattle and how your visit to OHSU works out. Keep in touch if you like. I can also tell you more about my experience with doctors in our area if you like.

Take care. Johanna

Hey Red,

I guess congratulations are in order for you ! I guess they finally realised they cant base facts on myths any longer hahaha

Luke

This is fantastic! I'm going to forward this to my doctor, just in case she hasn't seen it already. She was completely against the notion that facial pain of unknown etiology would be caused by a psychological component and I'm sure she will thrilled by this major breakthrough, as am I.

Thanks Red, Stef, Gloria and everyone else who worked so hard to make this happen. Well done!

Chris

Chris, if you're interested I can also send you a couple of startling medical literature articles which make the case that the whole classification for so-called "somatiform pain disorders" is delusional. In one article, a couple of psychiatrists tried to find diagnostic criteria to distinguish patients diagnosed with atypical facial pain from those with a form of trigeminal neuralgia -- and they flat out failed to find any useful criteria. Unfortunately, they concluded that the patients' medical records just didn't have enough socio-psychological data recorded. My intuition is that the real problem was that the disorder the patients had been diagnosed with was invalid in the first place.

Feel free to ping me at ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ if you want the articles.

Best,

Red

Red, that is very kind of you to offer to send the articles and I will gladly take you up on it. I'll shoot you an email later today.

Thanks so much!

Chris

OMG...going through this site has been such an eye opener...I have ATN...have had it for 4 years due to a bad dentist injecting the trigeminal nerve area ...he did this three times...injecting 3 times per tooth he extraced.......Drugs controlled it perfectly...and luckily I have had no side effects whatsoever...and if I have..I havent noticed them...Then lat year in January I got Shingles...Or Herpes Zoster as its officially known...on my face....on both side...One after the other...It didnt hurt because obviously I was already taking nerve damage pills.. However..since then I have had far more attacks than in the previous three years...I seriously never made the connection....did even give it a second thought....Now I am booked in for MVD surgery....and I am wondering if it is going to be worth it....If I do have Posherpetic Nuralgia, as well as ATN...seriously...is this operation going to be worth the hassle and problems associated with it...If the nerves are badly damaged anyway...by the dentist...and then by Herpes Zoster....The MRI scan does show the nerve entangled with 3 veins and a main artery leading into the brain stem....I am just so stupid not to have looked for a support group before last Thursday.....but I have just carrried on with my life regardless.....taken the meds...taken the pain meds as well...and thought nothing could be done...I havent even mentioned Herpes Zoster to my surgeon....I never made the connection.....Please could someone answer me before I go completely crazy...many thanks...

If you haven't mentioned Post Herpetic Neuralgia to your surgeon, then NOW is the time to do so. There are no stupid questions, Carol. My intuition is that your surgeon may want to be sure that the PHN is fully resolved before he does surgery. If the herpes virus is back in remission, then the vascular loops detected by MRI may be sufficient reason to do the MVD. But I'd think that if the PHN virus is still active, the last thing any doctor would want to do is open the blood-brain barrier when he doesn't have to.

Regards and best,

Red

Thank you Richard..I really appreciate your reply....The surgeon here cannot speak any English...so it is quite difficult to have a conversation with him...He is French...I am in holiday in France for three months. and I was in with him less than 10 minutes...He looked at the MRI scan...told my friend I needed surgery and booked it inn his dairy...asked for 70 Euros and we were out of the door..My friend who is fluent french was gobsmacked....as was I....really must look into this further.....and not be intimidated by this surgeon...even though he is rated the best in his field.....I will arrange another visit to the Drs Surgery and to ask for another appt with him....and hopefully I can get my point across again....either that or I will cancel the surgery....many thanks for replying to me

Richard A. "Red" Lawhern said:

If you haven't mentioned Post Herpetic Neuralgia to your surgeon, then NOW is the time to do so. There are no stupid questions, Carol. My intuition is that your surgeon may want to be sure that the PHN is fully resolved before he does surgery. If the herpes virus is back in remission, then the vascular loops detected by MRI may be sufficient reason to do the MVD. But I'd think that if the PHN virus is still active, the last thing any doctor would want to do is open the blood-brain barrier when he doesn't have to.

Regards and best,

Red

Be sure you have an interpreter present when dealing with the doctor. However, he should recognize the term "herpes Zoster infection". If he doesn't, then it is literally unsafe for you to be treated because he will be unaware of a very pertinent factor in your medical profile.

Regards, Red

I have appt with one of his team tommorrow....I have written it all down...and printed off some stuff as well...Once more I thank you for your quick reply...

Richard A. "Red" Lawhern said:

Be sure you have an interpreter present when dealing with the doctor. However, he should recognize the term "herpes Zoster infection". If he doesn't, then it is literally unsafe for you to be treated because he will be unaware of a very pertinent factor in your medical profile.

Regards, Red

For anyone who takes TNA Quarterly, this was a breath of fresh air to read on page 12. They are apologetic, to say the least, in classifying many Type II patients as having "Atypical Facial Pain".

First of all, I could be dead wrong in my speculations below. Please know that I believe that "humility is a hallmark of good character"!

With that said:

I must admit, I cannot help but think that Red, Gloria, Tracy and many of our other member's support of my discussion inspired by something Red had said entitled, "Are You An Atypical Trigeminal Neuralgia Patient Who's Been Diagnosed with Atypical Facial Pain?" may have had something to do with this? Well over 1,500 plus views is formidable.

In addition to this, I cannot help but wonder if Red, Min, myself and others who have written letters via e-mail and snail mail to research facilities could have also had an impact.

We may never know. But, in my opinion, our diligent pursuit of righting this wrong may have contributed to the re-classification in some way. . . . .and for that possibility, I would like to thank each and every member here for spreading awareness through exchange of your stories.

Blessed be to all,

Stef

Thought I’d re-cycle this announcement for new members who haven’t seen it. It validates those of us who’ve been given a diagnosis of Atypical Facial Pain and your doctor believes or acts like they believe (even though they haven’t come right out and said it) that this diagnosis means your pain is psychosomatic (all in your head).



I encourage members who are dealing with this diagnosis to click on the link, print up the reclassification information and take it with you to your next doctor’s appointment and make them read it.