Does this sound familiar to anyone?

I would be afraid to deal with the same dentist that left pieces of his tools in your head!Except maybe in court.That sounds like terrible malpractice to me.Im glad the Tegretol is helping a bit.Those strong narcotics can't be good for long term.I wish i would have had them for the worst days though.Try to be positive.I know how hard that is,but it does help i'm sure.Best to you!Don

Shellah said:

Yeah, that's what my doctor said that eventually I will get used to the feeling. I've noticed I've been sleeping much better too which is a major plus. My sleep was in bits and pieces for the last few months. I really do feel like they are working so if they are, I think I'd rather deal with these feelings then the horrible headaches 24 hours a day and the pains shooting up my face! I realized a couple days ago that I haven't been waking up like that and as mopey as I've been about the morphine/dilaudid grogginess, nausea, etc. I'm actually so, so, so much better than I was.

Oh, it has been confirmed that I have root canal material and metal in my sinus. My doctor is certain that there's nerve damage to the trigeminal nerve as well. I meet with my dentist tomorrow to see what he's going to do to help fix his mess. My doctor is going to handle the TN part of his mistake and he's going to handle the other stuff.

I'm super frustrated by everything :( Thank you all for being here and listening to my story.

Wow, it is so weird to read someone else telling your same story. The intensity of the pain, and going through root canals with dentists. I wish you the best of luck finding a neurologist ASAP that will put you on the right medication to stop this pain (not just cover up pain killers). I too suffer from chronic headaches and TN and ATN. We are here for you. Any update??

the description of your pain is pretty much exactly what i felt many years ago when i initially started having the pain. Good u are going to get your sinus checked. I agree with tkal..when i started having that pain only tramadol in combination with ibuprofen and something else would stop my pain until i could go onto a long term med liek carbamazepine..i wont lie..i hate carbamazepine(tegretol)..for me the side effects made my life hard..even the slow release ones but the alternative is pass out of whisky or kill myself so i chose tegretolo. Most people tolerate it well after the inital adjustment phase, i do recommend going for a preventative medication such as tegretol or gabapentin if the dr agrees, rather than tramadol because those pain killers are addictive at hell and weaning off those is painful. Wish you the best of luck and apologise if my post seems negative at all, i am having a rough day. Blessings to u xx

I switched to Gabapentin (Neurontin) from Tegretol. It is working to keep most of the pain away and with much less side effects. And it is realatively inexpensive.

Honey I suggest you see a neurologiest. With your symptoms you may have Atypical TN or TN. Don't mess around see a neurologoist as soon as you can.

If the meds are helping, that is the proof you need that it's TN or ATN. I've heard that meds don't work as well if it's because the trigeminal nerve was damaged but take anything that works for you until it doesn't work or the side effects are impossible.

What a mess that dentist made for you. I had a file broken in my tooth while undergoing a root canal and the stupid dentist didn't even tell me! He just sent my to an endodontist and said he wouldn't charge me for the work he did (wasn't he sweet). The endodontist was the one who told me about the file. She would try to get it out but if she couldn't it could stay in there and wouldn't cause any problems. But this was not in the sinus and she got it out and it only cost me an extra $200.00 (which I wanted to bill to the dentist but of course, couldn't). I found a new dentist. Only once did she break through to the sinus (a different root canal). But she told me about it, put me on extra pain killers and antibiotics and insisted on a followup to make sure it healed properly. She's an excellent endodontist.

I am so sorry you had to endure this and sorry you have to join our club. But we give free advice and are currently working on a secret handshake.

Hi all sorry for taking so long to reply. I've been dealing with some personal issues (leaving my drunk, violent husband). I think I said that the Tegretol was working and we increased it to 200 mg twice a day. I'm not on as much morphine and barely need breakthrough meds. Unfortunately, I STILL need the sustained release morphine which means that my doctor will be increased the Tegretol. I really need to get off the morphine. I have 4 kids and I can't live like this. I barely feel the morphine but I still hate having it in my system. I don't like the Tegretol either but it works so I guess I just deal with it.

My dentist makes me so angry. I booked a consult appointment with him and he doesn't think he had anything to do with it. He, along with my family doctor, an ENT and a oral surgeon all had a differential meeting about my case. After this meeting, my doctor told me that my dentist would be dealing with the root canal material and metallic material, either removing it himself (hell, no) or referring me to the oral surgeon. She also was certain he had damaged my trigeminal nerve but she would be handling that part of it. She has referred me to a neurologist and also spoken with a neurosurgeon in Vancouver that helped a patient of hers greatly in a very similar case.

My dentist meets with me and tells me that this differential meeting was exonerating him of any wrong doing and that root canal material is NORMAL and so is the root canal sealant. When he explained it to all those doctors, they were all nodding their head once he explained it and that it's TOTALLY FINE for this stuff to be in my sinus. The root canal sealant expands and can possibly go into the sinus and it's fine. I asked him if most root canals are supposed to have that material in sinuses and you can go look at every other root canal and the chances are high that all people have stuff in their sinuses?? He said "No no that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying I'm looking for that expansion and it's fine, It's not going to affect you. I don't see any point in going in there to fix anything. I'm not going to refer you either."

He also told me that he thinks TN is a catch-all bucket for when there's no other answer. It just means that everything else has been ruled out and that is what they call it. Idiot. He ALSO said that I said I was having nerve pain before I had the root canals, which is BS, total BS. I corrected him on that real fast. He said people just get this beforehand and that is what he thinks in this case. He said that both my teeth that he did root canals on, didn't need root canals done, they were perfectly fine. This is the first time he ever said that to me. He'd told me that the roots were inflamed and needed to be done, especially when we talked about the first root canal and going to do this second one. Cuz I was worried that the second one was the problem because I was having pain. He said no no, the first one needed work as well. This second one needs a root canal. So he's switching his story. This makes me so frustrated, you have no idea.

He kept flipping things around and I kept confronting him about his 2 sides and paraphrasing the BS he was saying and he would say "No, no, that's not what I'm saying", Then I'd ask him what he meant and he'd just say that he doesn't know what caused my pain. I asked him directly if he remembered what he was doing when I stopped the root canal the first time because of the burning. He said he was in the root canal cleaning out the root, then he quickly said he doesn't think he was that far in though.

Then he asked me what I think. I said I think he did it when that burning happened. I don't see any other explanation. The burning sensation, the nerve pain, the non-response to more freezing, the stuff in my sinus proves he went through.

Then he just turned the conversation to the medication I was on and how I wasn't responding to the Tegretol. It just made me so mad. I said I was responding to it and I'm on all kinds of pain medications and he has no kind of idea the life I'm living. He just told me that I'd get used to it and he's sorry but he doesn't know and he can't help me because he doesn't know the cause and have I even done any research on TN. I just started crying and left because my headache was coming through over everything. I can't cry or else I get pains. How lame is that?? :(

I received a referral to an oral surgeon on Nov. 4th though so maybe they can get somewhere with that. I've been writing an account of everything that happened, day by day since the root canal. Apparently, the dentist has put one in the mail for him of his own account. I'm pretty sure he's worried I'm going to go after him. Which I will but I live in Canada and medical malpractice suits are tough to win here. I have to find a lawyer that will help me and work on a contingency fee basis.

Thank you all so much for your replies. They mean so much to me. You have no idea (or maybe you do!) how great it is (and how sad, as well, this is terrible, I wouldn't wish it on my enemies) to know that there are others that know my pain and frustrations. I remember at one of my worst moments, I was laying on my bed, trying to sleep. It had already been a bad day and I was just starting morphine. My 1 year old daughter found me and tripped and fell and clonked heads with mine. My god, the pain that occured, I puked from it. It wouldn't stop and it was searing, all through the one side. It didn't matter if I laid down, stood up, in the dark, in the light, nothing. It went on for over 20 minutes and it felt like an eternity. This was overtop of the morphine, too. Everyone in the house was wondering why Mommy was screaming. I'm so sorry that you all deal with or have dealt with that kind of pain. I used to get short pains like that before I got on the meds but they'd only last a few seconds or a minute or so, particularly if I squatted to pick up my kids. I just hate knowing other people feel that and go through that.

I will look at the dentist's account and see if he lists the materials he used and check if that material you mentioned is on there. I'm going to have to pull my kids and find another dentist. I really hope that somebody can help me. :( I hate having a headache almost every day, even with the amount of meds I'm on. I may switch over to Neurontin one day? I don't know. I need to find out what dose I can subsist on Tegretol at this point and get myself off the morphine and think about switching. I will keep it in mind and mention it to my doctor. Tegretol definitely has side effects. I've been told to have a test every 3 weeks for my thyroid?

Don't worry about negative posts or seeming negative. It wasn't that bad really. :) I think we can all say we have bad days and if TN people have bad days, it's really a bad day, I know.

Anyway, sorry that was long but I had 20 minutes to myself and finally have internet again so thought I'd catch up. :)

P.S. I'd love to know about the secret handshake! :D

Doctors are great getting together and covering each others ass.Sounds to me like he knows damn well he is responsible and is dancing as fast as possible.I would see a lawyer about negligence.

I'd have to look again but he sent a really long letter to me outlining his steps and I've read a lot of it but it does confirm that the first tooth he did the root canal on was in need of a root canal. He didn't state what he was using, I don't think. He mentioned gutta purcha. I have to find the free time to go over everything in more detail because it was many pages long but it seems like it does point to him doing a root canal that was required and then my pain escalated afterwards.