Who else has both TN1 and TN2? Which did you have first?

Just wondering how many of us have both 1 and 2? Or both classic and atypical? Did you get one before the other and how long was it until the other joined in?

I have bilateral ATN in all three branches. I have been getting little pings and dings for a long time but this past winter I started having type 1 attacks as well. The level of pain is very different and it literally stops me in my tracks. Does anyone else have both types at once? I find it difficult to categorize my pain sometimes. The sensations that TN creates are very bizarre.

Jane

hi Jane,

My started with complete numbness on my left side for about a year and a half before the jaw pain started. After about a couple years the lightning strikes started. Mainly now is the lightning with some jaw pain and slight numbness when i exert myself to much.

Scott

Hey Scott
Where do u get the bolts? I am getting them through the side of my jaw and on the side of my tongue. They are really intense. Do u get just a single flash of pain or is it prolonged at all? It’s funny even though I have Tn I still find it hard to categorize the pain.
As for ATN mine comes goes and is constantly changing. It’s been all over my face. Today it’s my teeth.

I have just started having the ones that involve the tongue. Boy painful


Jane,

I have had the lightning strikes all over from the ear to the eye,nose, cheek etc. As soon as i figure out how to relieve them they change locations. The strikes last anywhere from a few seconds to a minute but can hit as often as every minute or two. The atn usually is more located in the hinge area of my jaw but has worked its way up through my teeth and it feels like a bad tooth ache. It can last for days and weeks.So both are constantly changing like yours except the type 1 changes a lot more often.

Scott
justjane37 said:

Hey Scott
Where do u get the bolts? I am getting them through the side of my jaw and on the side of my tongue. They are really intense. Do u get just a single flash of pain or is it prolonged at all? It's funny even though I have Tn I still find it hard to categorize the pain.
As for ATN mine comes goes and is constantly changing. It's been all over my face. Today it's my teeth.

I also have bilateral in all three branches. Mine started with intense ear pain in one ear with pain in my jaw and teeth on the right side with pain across my forehead. Then the next time my left ear with pain in my jaw and pain across my forehead. Since then it has been both ears, my cheeks, spots on my lower jaw, front teeth, back molars, upper palate, bottom lip, temple areas in front of ears, nose, sinuses. I have sharp lightning pains and then boring pains that last for a few minutes. Its just random. The pain changes every episode and the break between each episode gets shorter. This past time only being a 3 week break from pains where normally I had 2-3 months. I tested positive for the herpes I test. I've never had a cold sore, but the doctor had set the neurologist appointment up initially months ago because he thought I had shingles in my mid section under the skin. I'm starting medication for the next nine months for that.

Hi sassybelle,

Over the past three years TN has affected my entire face. Not all at once thank goodness. It tends to settle in and attack a certain area over the course of a few weeks to a few months and then it decides to move on to something new. I also have remissions long and short...anywhere between a day, a week or a month at a time.

Some people do have success with anti-viral medication used for herpes like Immitrex. We know that shingles causes herpetic neuralgia and I think this is something that every neuro should look at with facial pain. What we don't know if whether herpes 1 could cause neuralgia. I personally think it might. I actually think that there may be other unknown viruses at play with this pain as well.

Good luck with your treatment.

Jane

I'm about to harp on about the neck as a possible cause, a heads up if you want to sign off now, and in writing the below I'm not claiming I'm correct, it is just an opinion.

TN1 and TN2 are both rare, and we have the distinction due to IHS classification for one. A rare disorder, possibly two rare disorders, or the same given that many would appear to have an overlap of the two. Yet great controversy as to the treatment/ surgical intervention; MVD for TN1 but not TN2 as a generalisation, yet the two coexist in many patients. A diagnosis of either is an expression of symptom patterns, it does little if anything to indicate the cause of the symptoms, but gives a box for the medics to embark on a course of symptomatic relief at best (pain relief important when needed).

If an individual is suffering symptoms of TN, is suppression of symptoms through medication an adequate course, in my opinion no, we haven't addressed the cause, so at best we get pain relief, worse we don't address the underlying cause and may introduce medication side effects, some of which can add to a recurring problem.

If in certain folk, vascular compression on the peripheral nerve causes the problem, why the changing symptom pattern- first this then that then this etc., a continuous pressure on a peripheral nerve will give the same symptom pattern though continuous pressure might make the same symptom pattern worse. Why remission? would tend to suggest environmental factors such as posture, stress and/ or diet. Does the vascular compression disappear?

The neck has a central causation for TN, at the trigeminalcervical nucleus and as such offers an explanation for a changing symptom pattern.

A patient turns up at our physical therapist clinic and (disregarding the compliant) more often than not expects us to 'cure' them with no input from themselves. They are to used to the magic bullet that hides symptoms. We can help with said complaint, more often than not, but if the other factors are not addressed then you might feel OK right now but you may as well book in for say two months if your not about to take action.

Today, I've had a patient with TN. 16 years worth, 2 MVD procedures just last year, contemplating what I can gather is a SP block. A very pleasant lady and in a world of emotional trauma, to the point she mentions my children are old enough.

Now I'm kinda normal, but as a PT, or human, it isn't easy to control your own emotions but job done, and hopefully through what ever avenue I offered her some support.

Despite suffering for 16 years, having osteoporosis, fibromyalgia, and neck pain including episodes of acute torticollis prior to TN did anyone in NHS UK suggest the neck could be a cause? NO!!, and since MVD she has, although improving, dizziness, and a numb nose which is constant.

Patient " I always thought it had something to do with my neck, but you listen don't you?"

Can we help, time will tell, though I'm optimistic, symptoms since MVD, unsure, but less likely if due to destruction, although the body given the right tools is a great healer.

Jane, not intending to hijack your thread, but add to it, the idea of changing symptoms due to peripheral nerve irritation escapes me.

I started with type 1 about 8-10 years into this painful journey i began having a light burning in my cheek and the constant turning of screws. I really think the type 2 started after i trusted shotty docs to experiment with nerve blocks on my neck. I too have always felt it was caused by my something in my neck. I am different in that my TN was not caused by a dental error. The thought of other viruses causing this is quite interesting. I did have mono, measles, mumps & rubella @ the same time in my teens.

Jane,

I have both types. The Type 1 shooting pain came first and was very disabling, but the meds controlled this and then a short time after I started experiencing the atypical which was an aching, throbbing like a severe tooth ache or flu like feeling only worse. It is hard to describe. My meds control most pf the type 1, but the type 2 tends to break through when I am very fatigued, I have a busy day or not enough sleep. Extreme weather like cold windy days or very hot, muggy weather will trigger the pain. Hope this helps. I have had TN for over 6 years. I use trileptal (oxcarbazepine) 1500-1800 a day. Jim

I also have type 1 and type 2. They came at the same time, but obviously the type 1 was what prompted me to go to the ER and seek treatment. It wasn’t until the strong lightening pain paused for a bit that I noticed the constant pain - I explain it like this: it’s the same kind of pain when your brain realizes you have been punched in the face - all the time; then add on sharp, jolting “events” that occur whenever they feel like it. I do my best to hide it, tell the people I know that I am fine, but I am not fine. I am so glad I found this group. I am tired of feeling like I am alone suffering in silence.

I have both, I had TN1 first then TN2 and have anesthesia dolorosa as well. You name it, I have it on that side. my sympathies to you.