Looking for first hand accounts of DREZ (nucleus caudalis leasioning) for TN/Atypical facial pain

It's been a while since I've been on here as I've been trying just about every non-surgical remedy possible, but to no avail. I'm not sure how much longer I can take this so I'm back for some more advice.

Unlike most here, I've been dealing with a facial issue for at least 20 some years, however it's been in it's current state for the last 14 years. I struggled starting in 7th grade with extreme (facial) fatigue, then 3 months of insomnia, and never felt right once I started sleeping again. It wasn't until a wisdom tooth extraction at the age of 20 when I had a brief, but sudden disappearance of my symptoms. The difficulty I had breathing through my nose (thought it was due to a deviated septum), the "awkwardness" when smiling, the dark circles under my eyes, and the neck tension all were gone. I couldn't believe it. It was as if this giant weight I didn't even know I had on my shoulders was lifted. All of the self-doubt I had for years was validated. I just wasn't sure what was going on.

Unfortunately this was short lived and complications ensued after a couple of weeks. I'll spare much of the details, but I had a mass develop in my upper left socket. It was accompanied by extreme pain, muscle tension/spasming, and difficulty breathing through the nose. After a removal and eventual subsidence of the pain, the mass returned 3 hours after sitting in a steam room for 15 minutes. The aforementioned symptoms returned and I've more or less been that way ever since.

With the unusual circumstance, including onset and physical symptoms (moreso than just the pain), diagnosis has been difficult. I've got muscles popping out in my mouth but all MRIs are clear. CTs are negative, as are Xrays. I've had more imaging than anyone I know, including WBC scan, bone scan, MRA, MR Neurography, MRIs with and without contrast, TMJ MRI, 3D CTs, etc. I've tried Botox (twice), had 3 nerve blocks (the last one with a steroidal additive), and all the medications (such as 3600 mg of neurontin) yet nothing helps. Blood work is negative and everything points to me being a healthy individual.

What really sucks is that nothing has even REMOTELY helped to lead me to believe I'm heading down the right path. The nerve blocks numbed my face yet it didn't relive the spasm/tension/vice grip on the left side of my face. The medications? Most of the time I can't even tell I'm taking them. If I DO feel an effect it's when I take a higher dose of pain medication and all that does is make me feel tired.

Which brings me to this. I saw a neurosurgeon recommended by someone on this board about 8 months ago. He recommended two potential procedures: one being a DREZ and the other being a motor cortex implant (which is almost NEVER covered by insurance). I'd like to know if any of you have had these procedures and what their effects were. I'd also like to know if anyone else has had, or know someone who has had the spasming that was caused by a whackysensory nerve. So far I haven't had much luck in finding that person (though the pain management specialists make it sound like it happens a lot in back patients). If I could and was able to get an idea if there were effective treatments I think it would help me immensely.

Thanks for the read and the help. It's hard to make a potentially life-altering decision when you don't feel all that confident in it helping. I'm at a point to where I can't stand waking up and want to rip the left side of my face off. I know something needs to change I just don't know how to go about doing it, or WHERE exactly to do it (been to Cedars Sinai, Cleveland Clinic, Mayo, etc.)

Zac -
Do a search on this site for DREZ. I believe there was a previous conversation on this topic. It is a destructive procedure, & I believe Duke University has done some research on it for facial pain. I wish you the best.

I HAD THE MOTOR CORTEX IMPLANT SURGERY ALMOST NINE YEARS AGO LOVE IT! AND YES MY INSURANCE COVERED IT! MY DR SAID ITS NOT ALWAYS EASY TO GET THIS COVERED BUT IT CAN BE DONE.

MY PAIN ATN IS ALSO LEFT SIDE OF FACE.

I WAS AT THAT POINT. WHERE I REALLY DIDNT HAVE ANY FUNCTION IN MY LIFE. NOW I AM ON 2/3RDS LESS MEDS HAVE MORE FUNCTION AND WAY LESS PAIN. WAS IT A CURE? NO BUT I MET ALL MY GOALS.

MY DR IS AT NORTHWESTERN MEMORIAL HOSPITAL IN CHICAGO,IL

DR. JOSHUA ROSENOW. YOU CAN RESEARCH HIM ON NORTHWESTERNS WEBSITE AND ASK ME ANYTHING YOU LIKE. OR CALL AND GET A CONSULTATION AT LEAST. I JUST OCLDNT DO THE GAMMA KNIFE AND OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT MAKE MY PAIN WORSE. THIS JUST INTERRUPTS THE PAIN.

I ALSO HAE A PAIN SPEC HERE WHERE I LIVE THAT IS DOING SMALL STOMULATOR SURGERY AND THREE PATIENTS HE HAS DONE THIS FOR WITH FACIAL PAIN ARE DOING BETTER.

I NOW WATER COLOR PAINT AND SPEND TIME WITH GRAND CHILDREN AND TRAVEL SOME CAN I DO ALL I DID PRIOR TO THIS...NO..BUT I HAE FUNCTION AND CAN INJOY LIFE WITH SO MUCH LESS PAIN.

BLESSINGS FOR PAIN FREE DAYS~~

Thank you for the information. I greatly appreciate it.

Part of my problem is that I have had ZERO reaction to any of the reactions or previous procedures. While I understand the difficulty of nerve involvement, the muscles around my left maxilla are very rigid and that tension radiates downward throughout mybody. It's so bad in my face that I can barely breath at all out of my nose. When talking about something this serious I'd feel pretty good if I had a small bit of relief or respite of the pain. Nothing. Makes me wonder if my muscles aren't functioning right or whether I have a bone issue. I have yet to here of a person that has the physical facial symptomology as myself. Of all the things I would cure it's the rigidity part. I have difficulty smiling, eating, and making facial expressions.

If I could find SOMEONE that had similar symptoms, had these treatments, and experienced relief I would do them in a heartbeat. I find myself however, at a fork in the road, with one road being muddy and the other one full of potholes. I know I need to make a move but feel like all of my options are lacking. It's a really bad spot to be in and I'm not really sure what I can do about it.

I'm curious as to what your symptoms are

julie said:

I HAD THE MOTOR CORTEX IMPLANT SURGERY ALMOST NINE YEARS AGO LOVE IT! AND YES MY INSURANCE COVERED IT! MY DR SAID ITS NOT ALWAYS EASY TO GET THIS COVERED BUT IT CAN BE DONE.

MY PAIN ATN IS ALSO LEFT SIDE OF FACE.

I WAS AT THAT POINT. WHERE I REALLY DIDNT HAVE ANY FUNCTION IN MY LIFE. NOW I AM ON 2/3RDS LESS MEDS HAVE MORE FUNCTION AND WAY LESS PAIN. WAS IT A CURE? NO BUT I MET ALL MY GOALS.

MY DR IS AT NORTHWESTERN MEMORIAL HOSPITAL IN CHICAGO,IL

DR. JOSHUA ROSENOW. YOU CAN RESEARCH HIM ON NORTHWESTERNS WEBSITE AND ASK ME ANYTHING YOU LIKE. OR CALL AND GET A CONSULTATION AT LEAST. I JUST OCLDNT DO THE GAMMA KNIFE AND OR ANYTHING THAT MIGHT MAKE MY PAIN WORSE. THIS JUST INTERRUPTS THE PAIN.

I ALSO HAE A PAIN SPEC HERE WHERE I LIVE THAT IS DOING SMALL STOMULATOR SURGERY AND THREE PATIENTS HE HAS DONE THIS FOR WITH FACIAL PAIN ARE DOING BETTER.

I NOW WATER COLOR PAINT AND SPEND TIME WITH GRAND CHILDREN AND TRAVEL SOME CAN I DO ALL I DID PRIOR TO THIS...NO..BUT I HAE FUNCTION AND CAN INJOY LIFE WITH SO MUCH LESS PAIN.

BLESSINGS FOR PAIN FREE DAYS~~

Hello. When I had the Gamma Knife that surgeon said he wanted me to have the brain lessioning. Seems we are in the same boat. Shands in Fla and Emory in Atlanta are supposed to be really good. I have to choose as well!

Jane

My 25 year old daughter had the DREZ procedure in 2010 and has been pain free ever since. She takes no medications. She had two MVDs prior to the DREZ that didn’t work. Her pain was ATN, however, not what you are describing so I’m not sure how it would work for you. If there are any other questions I can answer for you, let me know. And best of luck to you in making this difficult decision.

has anyone ever herd of high blood presor making TN wors

Nancy where did your daughter have the procedure and can you tell me more please. About her pain and what you all went through?

Nancy Martin said:

My 25 year old daughter had the DREZ procedure in 2010 and has been pain free ever since. She takes no medications. She had two MVDs prior to the DREZ that didn't work. Her pain was ATN, however, not what you are describing so I'm not sure how it would work for you. If there are any other questions I can answer for you, let me know. And best of luck to you in making this difficult decision.

Yes, I'd be interested to hear as well.

Hi, my mom has suffered for 20 plus years and has had a total of 5 Rhizotomies and was booked for another when after discussing with others on this website we decided to try a NUCCA chiropractor which is not so invasive. After 5 treatments she has very little pain and even lowered her medication. We put off the Rhizotomy. May be worth a try.

Thanks Coop

Coop -

How often is she having treatments & how long did the relief last between treatments?

mrl

My neck replacement really helped me a lot! I still take percocets, little exercise, Botox and a few downers. But it’s nothing like it use to be pain wise. I think these nerves are pinched in the neck and that’s why no pills, mvd, glycerol or anything works. I know for a fact the occipital nuralgia comes from c1 and c2. A good manipulation chiropractor can help and actually stopped an attack in session one day. I’m searching for the DREZ. So far I’ve found Duke Universify.

I read the posts and I don’ t know about you, I still wouldn’t have a clue what to do.We all are so different and that’s a BIG part of what makes tn so bad. I like yourself have tried many things over all these years, some of mine were evasive mvd, ect. mortex stimulator did nothig for me.Neve blocks did very little if anything most of the time.Last nov. I knew I was not doing this anymore. I’M FAR FROM PERFECT BUT THE BEST IN 25 YEARS AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO GET BETTER, AND I CAN TELL IT IS WITH ALL THE RAIN AND MESSY, YUCKY WEATHER WE ARE HAVING! Check out some of my Post on GALLIXA or put in the search bar.Your also welcomed to message or friend request me. Wishing you rhe best. Dawn

My mom had 5 treatments and after the second one was mostly pain free. After the 5 th. treatment was told to revisit 1 month later.Hope this helps you. The cost in Canada was approx. $800.00 and 30-50.00 avisit after.

Thanks Coop

mrl said:

Coop -

How often is she having treatments & how long did the relief last between treatments?

mrl

Hi Dawn, so what is it that worked for you that that's made it the best in the last 25 years?

Thanks Coop

Thanks for the extra info, Coop. That does help.