Face forward posture (FFP) & Rounded shoulders

These two conditions are becoming more common with increase of computer & iphone use, after realizing there was a postural connection in my partners Tn & some research we determined that she had both of these conditions to some degree.
Link below to just explain FFP -
http://posturedirect.com/forward-head-posture-correction/

It was only really over the last two years that she has became a heavy user of both laptop & iphone, two devices implicated in these conditions.

So to try and correct this posture we have taken to sleeping on our back on the floor with a thin mattress, neck stretching exercises along with yoga & tai chi.

In tai chi there is a principle called “suspended head top”, you imagine that you are suspended by a cord from top of your skull, where the hair spirals, this causes your chin to tuck in, your spine hangs from skull, hips rotated slightly forward & knees slightly bent, feet shoulder width & flat on floor, this position basically simulates perfect posture, virtually same alignment as lying flat on back without pillow & knees slightly raised.

Anyone else looked into this posture correction?

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what helps me is also tucking in the chin.
There are many variations of the “chintuck” exercise, but this is one that i find very useful:

H

Looks interesting, will check in with Physiotherapist on next appointment.
During his examination last Monday he confirmed some FFP, restricted movement in the upper cervical area & mid thoracic.
The exercises we were issued with were mainly standing & seated neck turns and stretches as well as some shoulder work. We’ve been doing them for 5 days now & the pain situation has dropped back a bit and is at a manageable level without meds, still shoots off when trigger points are activated, but the volume & intensity is significantly lower.

H, Sparky,

Find this post somewhat depressing, and I believe Sparky1, you have another thread in which you state the benefit of exercise from your physio. Why/ why are not more folk asking you details? No post in six days!! I’ve been told a need to take this Med before surgical intervention?? is considered. Sparky1, has had results of neck intervention through exercise and the response is zip in the time frame. H, has had results, come on facial pain sufferers ask some questions, or are you all tying it, find it works, and then keeping quiet? Maybe your neuro has given the only answers you believe, Meds/ surthis gery.

I’m sure H/ sparky1, myself included, would help with questions. Wow, exercise can help!! That’s new, please explore this, ask away.

Sorry, haven’t posted for a few days, been a wee bit busy.
We had another appointment with physio on Monday, updated him on positive changes & progress with exercises, he continued with work on upper cervical & mid thoracic areas. All went well but right at end my partner noticed a pinch in right shoulder which got more aggravated throughout day, which was ironic because she felt her face was better. We scheduled an urgent follow up on Tuesday morning and he applied some therapies for a spasming muscle, seems one of the little fellows didn’t appreciate being called upon to put in.
Any way 3 days on and I can confirm that the improvements are continuing, the muscle in question is much better, though still present, but face pain is much improved, Today (Friday) she said she could count the shocks (mild) on one hand and was eating freely, crunching carrots, talking freely, even forgetting Tn was ever present, so all is positive so far.
Since xmas we have seen an overall positive trend, all be it with some backsliding as we narrow in on the appropriate therapy, so two steps forward, one step back kind of thing.
We still remain convinced that posture may well play an integral part in this dreadful condition.

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Hi aiculsamothe,

I have had TN since 2012. My insurance provider called and asked why I wasn’t doing the PT my neurologist ordered. I explained that getting to my monthly pain management and neurologist appointments were all I could manage as I have epilepsy and cannot drive myself. (I got epilepsy after brain surgery to correct TN). So she did an appeal to insurance company and ordered a nursing service to come to my house and assess my needs. An occupational therapist came 2x a week for 6 weeks to work with me and stretching exercises. She had me look in the mirror and become aware of how I hold my shoulders and guard my face. It was during a time that I was having severe pain (when do I not, lol?) So we had to keep the stretching exercise time to a minimum (20 min max). She said that pushing myself is not good, in other words, the old cliche’ no pain, no gain is NOT the way to go. Be gentle with yourself. The idea is to do the stretching, chin to chest, turn head side to side, etc. so that your muscles do not get atrophy. I have found that PT and OT therapists to be very professional and educated. They have systems in place to assess your problems, set goals, teach you to attain those goals, and then do assessments before they end their therapy to document your meeting those goals. It didn’t help with the pain, sorry to say. But it did help me stav off the potential problem of crippling atrophy from guarding, I am now aware. I hope this helps.

hi @Mercy , sorry i dont mean to hijack the thread, but you got epilepsy from MVD? :frowning:
Can i ask when did you do your surgery and who performed it? what was their explanation for this outcome?
Also, did the surgery help the TN in any way? or did it just add epilepsy on top of this? Did they say this will go away eventually?

Sorry for all the questions,
H

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Hello
For some reason I did not notice this as a New item.
My physio has been doing a lot of these neck exercises with me-But there are some new ones here and I do not need to download something on my extremely slow internet connection.
I started using a yoga ball to sit on when at the computer.I know they have chairs but I wanted to try this out.I have the ball on an old couch cushion to make it high enough.So when I am on the computer reading I can wiggle my waist around.I believe this has resulted in my back pain being 90% improved(I just need to watch what I do-no trying to do those neck exercises while sitting on the ball-over backwards-cat is running scared)
I had noticed that I have a lot of right shoulder clicking which started immediately after the dental treatment that spiraled this tooth pain.I still have the clicking.No one seems to care about it.I just think it is part of the whole problem.Maybe a clue.Can’t find the right person to help.If anyone knows someone in Toronto I would be willing to give it a go.Thanks for the post.

Hello @haach76 ,
No need to apologize. I welcome your questions. I want to shout my experience from a mountain top, to warn hurting TN patients, who are searching for solutions.
I had trigeminal neuralgia for 18 months V3 distribution of the nerve. My primary physician referred me to specialists 5 hours away from home because he said, “This is serious, the local neurologists only see this problem occasionally and I want you to be treated where they are up on the best medical evidence to treat.” So the team of neurologists at [identifying information has been removed by ModSupport] Hospital diagnosed me with typical trigeminal neuralgia and glossopharyngeal neuralgia with recent development of type II characteristics (moderate constant pain as well as intermittent exacerbations of severe pain). The only other health problem was hypothyroid, considered unrelated. They prescribed Tegertol and Percocet. The Tegretol was a miracle for me; it stopped my trigeminal nerve from misbehaving, and I did not need Percocet. I had side effects from Tegretol, it made me feel drunk, slur my words, confused, emotional, staggering, trembling hands and dropping things, vomiting, terrible short term memory, vivid dreams, anxiety attacks, just terrible. But the neurologist assured me and my husband that as my body became accustomed, the side effects would minimize. So I kept taking it and happy to put up with side effects, just for the relief of pain. But then I got a rash. The doctors said I must stop taking it. I argued maybe the rash will go away. So they did blood tests and concluded if I keep taking Tegretol, it would kill me. By that time I was so ill from taking Tegretol, I had to give it up. The rebound pain after stopping Tegretol was worse than before, plus, I still had all those neurological side effects for a long time after stopping the medication. I was referred to their top neurosurgeon Dr. [name removed by ModSupport) . He looked at my records and said he would perform a microvascular decompression of the trigeminal nerve. He told me and my husband that he can fix this, that I can go back to work 2 weeks after the surgery. I asked [the doctor] are you going to do a MRI to see if there is a vascular body impinging the nerve. No, he didn’t need it. He does this all the time and he will find it in surgery. I said to my husband after that meeting, [that doctor] is so arrogant and he scares me. My husband says “He’s a brain surgeon, what do you expect?” My husband and I researched the surgeon and the MVD surgery. We concluded this was the right decision because MVD is the “gold standard” treatment. [The doctor’s] public reputation and credentials looked excellent on the internet. We found he is the top professor of neurosurgery at [the university]'s hospital. We watched testimonials on YouTube, and read reviews from patients that had the MVD, and he seemed wildly successful.
I was in brain surgery for 30 minutes, my husband and family waiting to hear news. But instead of hearing from the surgeon, my husband got a phone call to the waiting room, from an intern who said, she’s in recovery, [the doctor] did not find a vascular body on the nerve, so he did not do a MVD, he cut the nerve a little instead. My husband said WHAT? We did not want the nerve damaged, that is not what was discussed. What is that going to do? The intern said he didn’t really know, its kind of experimental. My husband said, You are experimenting on my wife? No no I didn’t mean it like that and the intern got off the phone.
I was in recovery all day long because I was not stable enough to take to a room until that evening. I was in so much pain a team of anesthesiologists administered ketamine to put me in a hallucinatory state and shut up my screaming. My family took turns staying with me in my room 24 hours until I was released to watch over me while I was having seizures and hallucinating, not knowing who or where I was. My family tried to get a straight answer about what he did while he was in my brain and they would say the surgeon has not finished his operative notes.
The State of Florida recently decided that I am permanently disabled and will begin receiving SSDI. The State of Florida has said that I am not disabled from the time I stopped working from trigeminal neuralgia, but I am disabled from the day of surgery when I acquired a brain injury that has left me with many neurological problems, epilepsy is one of them.
Much later we found out that he performed a partial sensory rhizotomy on my trigeminal nerve. After rhizotomy, medical records say “all is done”. Meaning doctors will not do any other procedure for trigeminal pain after the surgeon permanently damaged it.
We went to follow up appointment with [the doctor]. He said I would not be able to work, all that is left for me is pain management. He did feel that the surgery was successful because I had a small amount of numbness. He said that this happens in 1 out of 5 times he goes in to do the MVD. He cant find the vascular body so he does a partial sensory rhizotomy. He said that he apologizes for not fully communicating that before surgery. As for my new neurological problems, that is not his area, I would need to see a neurologist about that. He only does neurosurgery, then he is done with that patient, so no need to call his office or ask any further questions.
@haach76 , you can look him up on YouTube. He just did a new PR video. He is famous, he owns an airplane, his children are successful, he is rich, he has tenure and political position, he will tell you all about how wonderful he is. He also has sovereign immunity under the umbrella of a teaching hospital.
I may have a brain injury, but I recognize bait and switch, lack of legal consent, medical battery. I believe he performs the rhizotomy so that he can bill for the procedure, as opposed to billing for a lower paying exploratory craniotomy. With our medical system, doctors are rewarded by the corporations they work for financial gain instead of patient outcome. The hospital has shown no interest or care in my outcome, and yet they are protected with sovereign immunity as a teaching hospital.
Brain surgery is a big deal for the patient, but a bigger deal for the hospital and neurosurgeons who perform them because its their biggest money maker, next to cardiology.
Now I apologise for such a lengthy answer. But the story and context matter very much to me.
January 17, 2014
[identity and location of doctor removed by Modsupport]
He said my complications are not his concern.
So beware

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@Mercy I am so sorry you went through this! I saw the video, that guy seemed really arrogant and unpleasant.

I think your story deserves its own thread. Maybe @ModSupport can take your message and start a new thread titled “MVD horror story with Dr [name removed by modsupport]”. I think that way your story will get more visibility.
Also is it possible to take some kind of legal action against Dr [name removed by modsupport]?
Also i have never heard of MVD leading to seizures! that is very odd! do you have any idea how this could have happened?

Note from ModSupport: while we can see your reasoning, we cannot do this. See post below.

I dont want to bring politics into this forum because I know some members will not be happy, but this is one instance where universal health care would prevent such an outcome. I grew up in Canada and unlike the States they perform surgeries only when necessary because there is no financial incentive to do something that is not in the interest of the patient (as in cutting your nerve just to charge a bigger bill).
There are so many surgeons like this in the US that are raking in ridiculous amounts of money by charging patients for unnecessary surgeries (and getting side money from the medical instrumentation companies).
One example is the cervical fusion surgery and the Washington Post had an interesting article about a bunch of doctors who were getting super rich from doing these surgeries unnecessarily and getting money from medtronics for the fusion devices:

I know NHS and the Canadian systems have their own shortcomings, but at least patients dont become pawns in money making schemes by surgeons.

H

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