Understanding Why Your Doctor May Fear You

The following came to me through a colleague and friend, Dinah Federer - herself a long time chronic pain patient. This advice on cultivating your relationships with doctors seems worth thinking about...

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"Dear Patients:

You have it very hard, much harder than most people understand. Having sat for 16 years listening to the stories, seeing the tiredness in your eyes, hearing you try to describe the indescribable, I have come to understand that I too can't understand what your lives are like. How do you answer the question, "how do you feel?" when you've forgotten what "normal" feels like? How do you deal with all of the people who think you are exaggerating your pain, your emotions, your fatigue? How do you decide when to believe them or when to trust your own body? How do you cope with living a life that won't let you forget about your frailty, your limits, your mortality?

I can't imagine.

But I do bring something to the table that you may not know. I do have information that you can't really understand because of your unique perspective, your battered world. There is something that you need to understand that, while it won't undo your pain, make your fatigue go away, or lift your emotions, it will help you. It's information without which you bring yourself more pain than you need suffer; it's a truth that is a key to getting the help you need much easier than you have in the past. It may not seem important, but trust me, it is.

You scare doctors.

No, I am not talking about the fear of disease, pain, or death. I am not talking about doctors being afraid of the limits of their knowledge. I am talking about your understanding of a fact that everyone else seems to miss, a fact that many doctors hide from: we are normal, fallible people who happen to doctor for a job. We are not special. In fact, many of us are very insecure, wanting to feel the affirmation of people who get better, hearing the praise of those we help. We want to cure disease, to save lives, to be the helping hand, the right person in the right place at the right time.

But chronic unsolvable disease stands square in our way. You don't get better, and it makes many of us frustrated, and it makes some of us mad at you. We don't want to face things we can't fix because it shows our limits. We want the miraculous, and you deny us that chance.

And since this is the perspective you have when you see doctors, your view of them is quite different. You see us getting frustrated. You see us when we feel like giving up. When we take care of you, we have to leave behind the illusion of control, of power over disease. We get angry, feel insecure, and want to move on to a patient who we can fix, save, or impress. You are the rock that proves how easily the ship can be sunk. So your view of doctors is quite different.

Then there is the fact that you also possess something that is usually our domain: knowledge. You know more about your disease than many of us do - most of us do. Your MS, rheumatoid arthritis, end-stage kidney disease, Cushing's disease, bipolar disorder, chronic pain disorder, brittle diabetes, sarcoidosis or disabling psychiatric disorder - your defining pain - is something most of us don't regularly encounter. It's something most of us try to avoid. So you possess deep understanding of something that many doctors don't possess. Even doctors who specialize in your disorder don't share the kind of knowledge you can only get through living with a disease. It's like a parent's knowledge of their child versus that of a pediatrician. They may have breadth of knowledge, but you have depth of knowledge that no doctor can possess.

So when you approach a doctor - especially one you've never met before - you come with a knowledge of your disease that they don't have, and a knowledge of the doctor's limitations that few other patients have. You see why you scare doctors? It's not your fault that you do, but ignoring this fact will limit the help you can only get from them. I know this because, just like you know your disease better than any doctor, I know what being a doctor feels like more than any patient could ever understand. You encounter doctors intermittently (more than you wish, perhaps); I live as a doctor continuously.

So let me be so bold as to give you advice on dealing with doctors. There are some things you can do to make things easier, and others that can sabotage any hope of a good relationship:

Don't come on too strong - yes, you have to advocate for yourself, but remember that doctors are used to being in control. All of the other patients come into the room with immediate respect, but your understanding has torn down the doctor-god illusion. That's a good thing in the long-run, but few doctors want to be greeted with that reality from the start. Your goal with any doctor is to build a partnership of trust that goes both ways, and coming on too strong at the start can hurt your chances of ever having that.


Show respect - I say this one carefully, because there are certainly some doctors who don't treat patients with respect - especially ones like you with chronic disease. These doctors should be avoided. But most of us are not like that; we really want to help people and try to treat them well. But we have worked very hard to earn our position; it was not bestowed by fiat or family tree. Just as you want to be listened to, so do we.


Keep your eggs in only a few baskets - find a good primary care doctor and a couple of specialists you trust. Don't expect a new doctor to figure things out quickly. It takes me years of repeated visits to really understand many of my chronic disease patients. The best care happens when a doctor understands the patient and the patient understands the doctor. This can only happen over time. Heck, I struggle even seeing the chronically sick patients for other doctors in my practice. There is something very powerful in having understanding built over time.


Use the ER only when absolutely needed - Emergency room physicians will always struggle with you. Just expect that. Their job is to decide if you need to be hospitalized, if you need emergency treatment, or if you can go home. They might not fix your pain, and certainly won't try to fully understand you. That's not their job. They went into their specialty to fix problems quickly and move on, not manage chronic disease. The same goes for any doctor you see for a short time: they will try to get done with you as quickly as possible.


Don't avoid doctors - one of the most frustrating things for me is when a complicated patient comes in after a long absence with a huge list of problems they want me to address. I can't work that way, and I don't think many doctors can. Each visit should address only a few problems at a time, otherwise things get confused and more mistakes are made. It's OK to keep a list of your own problems so things don't get left out - I actually like getting those lists, as long as people don't expect me to handle all of the problems. It helps me to prioritize with them.


Don't put up with the jerks - unless you have no choice (in the ER, for example), you should keep looking until you find the right doctor(s) for you. Some docs are not cut out for chronic disease, while some of us like the long-term relationship. Don't feel you have to put up with docs who don't listen or minimize your problems. At the minimum, you should be able to find a doctor who doesn't totally suck.


Forgive us - Sometimes I forget about important things in my patients' lives. Sometimes I don't know you've had surgery or that your sister comes to see me as well. Sometimes I avoid people because I don't want to admit my limitations. Be patient with me - I usually know when I've messed up, and if you know me well I don't mind being reminded. Well, maybe I mind it a little.


You know better than anyone that we docs are just people - with all the stupidity, inconsistency, and fallibility that goes with that - who happen to doctor for a living. I hope this helps, and I really hope you get the help you need. It does suck that you have your problem; I just hope this perhaps decreases that suckishness a little bit.

Sincerely,

Dr. Rob"

I think this helps with the "suckishness" of the problem a lot! I am going to see a new doctor on Friday, and I was already thinking about how I dont want to come on too strong. I am just going to give him the information that I have like my MRI (I recieved a CD with my MRI on it today) and fill out the nessisary paperwork. I am just going to listen to what he says, and answer questions calmly. I think I really messed up last time I met a new doctor, I was very anxious and worried that he would miss somthing, or that I wouldn't answer a question correctly that would lead to like a mis-diagnosis or somthing. This time I hope to go in with a clear mind and try too keep in mind that he might not be vary familiar with this, but that he does want to help me.

Thank you so much for taking the time to write this! I find it VERY helpful! :)

In this instance, Sarah, the writer was a doctor. I'm not sure just where this was published on the net, but it's been circulating for a while.

Regards, Red

oooohh I guess I thought it was you that wrote it... but even so, thank you for posting so that I can read it :)

Dr Rob is special and I am sure he understands exactly how TN patients feel . It is a difficult disease that doctors who cannot treat it feel their limitations and become frustrated. These are good doctors . However there are many other doctors who do not really understand this disease and diagnosed it wrongly ; worse when they dismissed it totally. Patients who ran into such doctors felt desperate and left in search for another doctor. After many attempts , these patients would enter a clinic skeptically . In each failed attempt ,the patients would read up more to help themselves . Internet made available to everyone to access into more information , therefore it is no surprise that we know this (TN) in depth. I agree <100%> that patient - doctor relationship is very important and we must respect the doctor the moment we step into his or her clinic, we are seeking for a cure or relief. After all ,we are consulting a doctor , not the other way round. Nevertheless , I would still abandon this doctor if I doubt his or her competency.
It is great that Dr Red posted this up so that we can look from the doctor’s point of view. I wish there were more doctors to join in our organization and voice up. With more participations from both sides will benefit us tremendously. I personally feel that Dr Red, despite not being medically trained, is of tremendous help to us through his many years of reading medical literature . His opinions and advice are valuable to many of us.

Being a health professional myself I agree with a lot of this! Especially the bit about wanting the affirmations that people are better etc ... this is why a lot of nurses and doctors just can't do areas like cancer care and other terminal illnesses. I've been there myself, I lasted 6 months in a cancer ward (though had issues with the staff more than patients!) and went back to working in an area where patients are cured of whatever the short-term problem is (even in long-term illnesses) and they go home.

We don't know everything that's for sure and patients often do know a lot. Which can be scary for some doctors. But any doctor worth their weight in gold can admit this and show you they have the means to learn and find information (my family doctor happily took a copy of things I print out and will look things up in books he has right in front of me). It's the doctors who are stubborn and won't learn that you should be wary of.

We do forget things quite often (sometimes I will have to call work after going home to check if I did do something) and need reminding of things, I have no problems with patients who ask me for things even if I knew they needed them.

And please remember that we literally have no idea what chronic pain is like unless we have experienced it so if we seem a little bit callous or that we don't understand the full extent of things that is why. I had never been a patient in a hospital until last week and this illness has opened my eyes in a big way to what my patients go through, what it's like to be a patient and what it's like to have such pain.

I think this thread will be good for all of us to see things from both sides and maybe taper our presentation in a way that actually helps us both. I will certainly bear it all in mind on my next appointment. I have to say my Dr is great and does not intimidate me or show arrogance. I know I am very lucky in having her.

Good insight. Thanks for posting!!

I like this === I can see it in they eyes of my local neurologist. I bring info on what I think I might need or want to try - and since his specialty is really epilepsy, he usually agrees with me, because I have done so much research.

I think he is relieved that I come up with what to try next, or if I come up with reasons to shoot down another suggested med that he would normally feed somebody who is not so proactive as I.

I see us as a partnership

Wow, made me cry. I have been doing it all wrong. Have been treated so terribly by the medical profession. I expected kindness, understanding and help. After 11 years of some really unbelieveable stuff. I have come to hate and misstrust them all. i have given up on them.

I do have one gen. practitioner who reluctantly still see's me. After years we have come to an understanding. It has been a struggle though.

I avoid going in, it upsets me to just think about it, the frustration!

I wait till things are really bad before I seek help. I though that was strong, just deal with it, what ever it is untill you can't take it anymore. don't be a whiner, don't be a problem.I figure things are the way they are and as long as I can deal, then whats the point of waisting both of our time.

By the time I go in I am desperate and ready for the fight.

I have to say though that after 8 years she is finally listening to me, mostly.

I thank you so much for letting us see the other side, the truth of things, now I understand why doctors have behaived badly towords me. I have MS and TN, they never want to even make an appointment with this problem, or turn me away after one visit. Saying they just don't handle chronic patients. I had come to the conclusion that they really don't want to treat sick people, we are all just a quick 15 minute 150 bucks.

I will try to remember your side of things better. I will try not to be so angry and frustrated & try to have a better relationship. and not just be a major problem patient. I guess I kinda feel sorry for them now, having do deal with me.

Thanks, I have been angry and hurt, maybe now I can understand and be able to let it go.

Its good to hear from the other side and not just us with the problem.

I am sorry you had to be sick and in pain, I really dont wish anyone should have to suffer, especially for as long as we do, for the rest of our lives, we will never feel better.

But I have to admit that I have wished just one day of what we go through on everyone in the medical profession, and sometimes even people I know. Sure would see a lot of people rolling around and crawling on the floor! & saying OMG! I would love to have some understanding around me, to not have to hide and just paint on a smile and say, everything is just fine.It takes a while to be able to handle it and to adjust to the fact that it won't get better so you have to adjust, whats the other option? death.

I hope this makes you a better nurse. The best doctor I ever had, had a sister with MS and had gone through cancer treatment. She really understood, she really listened to me and cared about what I wanted. I respected her for it and listened to her. She was rare. She move away and I am sorry she is gone.

Take care, and feel better! Be grateful when you are.

Porcelina said:

Being a health professional myself I agree with a lot of this! Especially the bit about wanting the affirmations that people are better etc ... this is why a lot of nurses and doctors just can't do areas like cancer care and other terminal illnesses. I've been there myself, I lasted 6 months in a cancer ward (though had issues with the staff more than patients!) and went back to working in an area where patients are cured of whatever the short-term problem is (even in long-term illnesses) and they go home.

We don't know everything that's for sure and patients often do know a lot. Which can be scary for some doctors. But any doctor worth their weight in gold can admit this and show you they have the means to learn and find information (my family doctor happily took a copy of things I print out and will look things up in books he has right in front of me). It's the doctors who are stubborn and won't learn that you should be wary of.

We do forget things quite often (sometimes I will have to call work after going home to check if I did do something) and need reminding of things, I have no problems with patients who ask me for things even if I knew they needed them.

And please remember that we literally have no idea what chronic pain is like unless we have experienced it so if we seem a little bit callous or that we don't understand the full extent of things that is why. I had never been a patient in a hospital until last week and this illness has opened my eyes in a big way to what my patients go through, what it's like to be a patient and what it's like to have such pain.

thank you Red.

I too was in the medical 'world' for about 12 years. I was a nurse and worked in alot of areas including CCU, Cancer, Labor and Delivery, gen med, and home health and Hospice. It was my desire to help the patients with problems that I felt they would 'need' my help the most. It was also the same thing that drew the desire to nurse totally away from me - hospice. In a way, I understand what this is saying, since I dealt with doctors all the time that would rather I saw the patients and report rather than them seeing the patient themselves. I also had to deal with the families of the patients...difficult. I have been out of this field for over 18 years now, but it is a fresh as a month ago - especially after reading this. Being on the patient side now, it DOES make a difference.

From our perspective, we really do know more! We ARE the experts, and this doc does have the right perspective...it would be nice to have the 'god' complex disappear and the 'humanity' component reenter the equation. As I am southern, my Momma and Daddy always taught me to treat others like we want to be treated (you know the Golden Rule that has fallen to the way side...a shame). It IS scary when you meet a challenge you know you REALLY CAN'T help, but is a shame when a person that can HELP simply lets that be the stumbling block that keeps from helping the helpless. I wish we could send this around to all doc's / patients / nurses / MRI techs / lab techs / etc. Thank again, Red, for posting this...

Cris

Thank you. I am guilty of being pushy or expect miracles. I have taken your words to heart and will live with this curse with a new respect for the doctors trying to help.

Again, thank you,

Knottytree