Trying to get diagnosis following tooth extraction

Hi all, I just wanted to introduce myself and see if there is anybody out there with a similar story or the same symptoms as it is proving difficult getting the correct treatment.

In May this year I had my lower left wisdom tooth removed (not an easy extraction taking over an hour) and have since been left with a few symptoms. The main one being a dull ache (average 2-3/10 pain but can get a bit worse) below my lower left jaw that comes and goes daily and varies in intensity and radiates to the neck. Other symptoms that have developed over the last few months are tingling in the left side of the face and a strange pressure sensation also going up the left side (not painful). Also, my sinus around my nose flare up quite often with no congestion or discharge.

So far I have seen several dentists, an oral surgeon and maxillofacial who all can not say what is causing it (all scans are clear and the extraction site has healed well). It is worth noting that the wisdom tooth was very close to the nerve and a couple of specialists have suggested the nerve has been upset/irritated whilst also a couple of dentist/doctors have suggested atypical facial pain.

I have tried all sorts of over the counter painkillers with, acupuncture, massage and am currently on pregabalin 150mg twice a day, all with no noticeable improvement. The only thing that seemed to help was a short steroid course.

Sorry for the long post, I suspect it is Atypical TN or post traumatic trigeminal neuropathy but just hoping someone out there has experienced a similar story and has some experience they can share with me.

Thanks, Harry

Hello Harry!

Nice to meet you. I am sorry you have this. You are not alone.

I have atypical TN. It started with face pain on the eye tooth, radiating up into my face.

Got so bad I opted for GKRS (gamma knife radiological surgery) I was good for three years just had aching pain not the burning searing pain. ..then it came back. In the meantime, I had dental procedures done and this one tooth behind the eye tooth had to be pulled eventually because dental work and endodontist treatment did not make it calm down. I then had sinus pain on the floor of my sinus in the same area where that tooth was pulled, then had some more work done on the left side in the very back and got a shot in the back of my mouth which caused shocks through the left side of my face, and eventually jaw pain, then eventually ear pain. I was taking meds for two years with not much improvement. I eventually got onto amitriptyline and the pain went away. I have been in remission for about 11 years with sporadic pain spots here and there, but nothing I can’t live with. So I’m writing to you to say I’ve had similar problems and also that eventually, it can calm down and evolve to something that is more easily tolerated. I wish you all the best that things come together for you and soon.

Sincerely, Min

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Hi Min

Thank you for taking the time to reply, sounds like you have had quite an ordeal. Glad to hear you have found a medication that works. Funnily enough Amitriptyline keeps getting recommended and I have mentioned this to my GP but as I am also on sertraline I would need to come off this first (I have started weaning off it already). I dont know if the pregabalin is doing much or if I am just getting used to the pain so I am taking it slowly before I decide to try a different med. The thing that bothers me more is the strange pressure and tingling feeling I have developed on the same side of my face as it feels like it is spreading and becoming more noticeable. It doesn’t hurt but just makes me worried about what else I have to look forward to developing.

I try not to think about it all the time (nearly impossible). And make a point of still going out and socialising. I actually find it all pretty much goes away when I am out for drinks etc so definitely helps to keep the mind busy.

Apologies for rambling on but its good to get off my chest to people that understand

Regards,

Harry

Hi Henry. I’m sorry for the pain and lack of diagnosis. I started with zapping like electric shocks and stabbing pain. Took about 6 months finally referred to a Neurologist. I was unable to handle most of the normal medications for pain and finely got relief with gabapentin (Neurontin). I hope you find answers and relief soon.

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Harry, please see a neurologist with TN experience before trying anymore meds. My Gp is great but he relies on the input of a neurologist, especially for which meds to take.

God bless

Thery

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Hi Thery

Thanks for your advice, I have asked to be referred to a neurologist by my GP and he refused saying ā€œneurologists only see people for brain disease like dementiaā€ :man_facepalming:. I’m currently going through the process of changing GP now as mine has been really bad to be honest. I also paid to see a private maxillofacial specialist who said it would be pointless getting an MRI done as we wouldn’t see anything that my dentist scans hadn’t seen.

It really feels like the medical system is broken in the UK. I appreciate I need to find the right specialist with the right knowledge and I am on a waiting list for one of the top dental hospitals in the UK so hopefully this gets me on the right path :folded_hands:

Thank you, I appreciate your words :folded_hands:

Hello Harry,

My pain and experience with doctors is similar. Mine started over 30 years ago after dental work. I went from doctor to doctor and finally diagnosed with atypical trigeminal neuropathy or idiopathic facial pain. Like yours, acheing and feeling of pressure all the time. I was on a cocktail of meds from a neurologist for years (gabapentin, baclofen, clonazapan and tramadol) until he announced he could no longer prescribe the clonazapan and tramadol due to DEA regulations. Now my pain has increased proportionately and it seems no where to turn. I hope yours stays at a low level. For God’s sake, the pain clinic I go to won’t even let me have a glass of wine! I saw a message from someone saying the UK health system is broken. Unfortunately I think it’s the same in the U.S.! Stay in touch and let us kow how your journey goes.

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Thank you for the reply, sorry to hear things arent going well for you, what have you found helps over the years?

Currently, the gabapentin and baclofen meds seem to be the most helpful. I have also consulted with a dentist in Eugene, Oregon who uses a digital scanning device to correct a bite imbalance which he believes contributes to the pain. Although I have had my bite adjusted numerous times, this method is much more precise. I have also had nerve blocks to the trigeminal nerve, which only seem to help for a day or two, but it is a constant journey, unfortunately.

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Ive not tried any muscle relaxants like Baclofen, will ask about this when I get to see a specialist as the dull ache feels like muscular pain to me

Hi Harry, I had something similar , 15 years ago a dentist heart my Trigeminal nerve

Hi, thanks for sharing, awful isn’t it? Did it improve or are you still living with it now?

Harry, I really hope you find a specialist that can help you. When I had my MRI, it definitely showed that trigeminal nerve was ā€œsqueezedā€ by other nerves.

Don’t give up.

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Thank you for your words. My guess is there has been some kind of damage to the trigeminal nerve during the extraction, the xrays/cbct scan ive had since dont show anything obvious so we shall see.

Hi Harry,

I’m based in Manchester and I know how you feel with regards the NHS.

Things had gotten so bad, I finally went into a GP’s office and said you have 2 choices; call the police or refer me to a neurologist because I’m not leaving!!!

Got the referral and very long story later, I’m finally under professor Goadsby’s neurology dept at Kings College Hospital in London. He’s written the book when it comes to headaches, migraines,trigeminal neuralgia or in my case, trigeminal autonomic Cephalalgia. You can request/demand that your GP refers you to any hospital. I have all my appointments remotely and the biggest benefit, they have a specialist headache nurse you can email when things get bad.

Been needing a rant so here goes, I have SUNCT (Sort-lasting unilateral neuralgiform headache with conjunctival injection and tearing). Ever since I can remember I’ve had headaches but it was always fobbed off. The dental pain I had was never discussed with the GP and dentist never thought TN. By the time I had gotten to 13, I knew I was in trouble, there’s a reason it’s known as the suicide disease. I had numerous MRI’s before I turned 18 and several after - if only one of the MRI requests had the box ticked for ā€˜with contrast’ the vascular loop (blood vessel so close to the nerve that it can touch) I have would have been diagnosed in my teens and not in my 40’s.

So after 20 years of self medicating, many GP’s later, the pain gets so torturous I can’t move, let alone work or socialise or even eat. Just being alive hurts; you can’t scream because that makes it worse, you can’t tense or cry, all you can do is try to suffer in silence. So I go to my latest GP and I’m given Carbamazepine, which made things worse, then gabapentin and when that didn’t work I was told by the GP that there was nothing more they could do and I should go to A&E in future. 3 A&E visits later, the last with a nurse laughing at me, I went to a new GP and demanded the referral.

I was then referred to one hospital where I saw a consultant neurologist whom suggested I had a Trigeminal Autonomic Cephalalgia and likely SUNCT and required being seen in the headache clinic. I hear nothing in a week so I desperately call and told I haven’t been transferred and I see a 2nd neurologist. He says’ I’ve seen thousands like you and it’s Chronic Facial Pain’! I called BS and said i wanted another opinion, which is all stated in their letter. Another week goes by and nothing? Call again and now I get put on the list. As this was now covid lockdown, everything was over the phone. 3rd neurologist says migraines. In between I beg my dentist to remove several of my teeth (glad they said no), 4th says TAC so start meds to rule out Hemicrania Continua, then after screaming desperately for help, 5th and 6th were no help until KCH when I’m put on Lamotrigine which was a game changer and I’ve rarely been above a 8 on my pain scale since. It has taken me the last 7years to finally have a pain management team around me but what an effort!!

My GP is in Huddersfield, the only GP I’ve found with knowledge of the condition so after speaking to a neurologist we can make any medication changes immediately without having the neurologist’s letter first. My dentist is in Manchester- I have to see first to rule out any dental issues. My neurologist is in London. This year I finally found my Anaesthetist so when all the medications/treatments I’m on cease to work, I’ll need a neurosurgeon. Hopefully be at dignitas before then.

My advice, to get to the right diagnosis you’ll need to rule out other possible causes so see GPs that have an understanding of the condition you’re trying to rule out or if diagnosed, help you manage them.

Take control of your pain management and nag everyone - DON’T go to far, we need them more than they need us.

Good luck in your search for answers, I hope you find them.

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So sorry to hear you are struggling to get a diagnosis. When I first started getting the zaps my GP felt it could be trigeminal neuralgia since no normal pain meds helped. Gave me a script for carbamazepine and said if this helps then its definitely trigeminal neuralgia. It helped. I was helped for 3 years with Oxcarbazapine then got to a dose I cold no longer tolerate. Had MVD surgery and was good for 8 years until tooth extraction. Broke tooth on ā€œDave’s killer bread. Now I am back to square one. Back on Oxcarbazapine which is helping for now. Saw neurosurgeon who felt my next step would be Gamma Knife which I will do as last resort. Good luck to you and yes, sounds like you need a new GP willing to refer you to a neurologist.

Hi Harry I use Azetasline HCI it’s a nasal solution it keeps my left side of my sinuses clear because I’ve had tea in since 2014 my doctor prescribes me for that and I also use ipotropium bromide and I also use flucortizone which is Flonase you can get it through your insurance. I do all three of those twice a day and it keeps my sinuses open. As far as I’m concerned I think you got something wrong with your jaw as well I forget the name of what that’s called when your jaws messed up but I have that. I take gabapentin 200 mg three times a day like every 8 hours and I also take lacosamide 100 mg three times a day. My last episode was I made some oatmeal cookies and I overcooked them and I took a bite even after dipping them my tea and it was hard and my number 9 and 10 tooth just went but crazy and it was so awful. So I had both those teeth done with a root canal. Pulling teeth doesn’t help root canal do. Don’t let anybody talk you into doing a microvascular decompression because it doesn’t work.

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Thanks for the advice :folded_hands: