Tegretol is taking my life away

I am very grateful to Tegretol for controlling my TN pain. But I have been on it for 6 months now and have never been able to acclimate to it. Started at 300 a week, am now on 800 a week with l800 mgs. of Neurontin. It is after my 10:00 and 2:00 doses that I become useless. I can't walk very well, I forget all words, my memory is gone, and by 4:00 I have to go to sleep, so my husband has become the cook in the family. That just isn't right. He doesn't complain because he understands, but I don't think this is right.

Most people I read about get used to this drug in 2 weeks. My neurologist has offered Baclofen, but the addiction specialist I am seeing (to get me off of Klonopin) says that that makes people more sleepy than Tegregol!

I don't want my pain to come back, but this is horrible. Typing this post is a struggle. I keep having to back space, and I used to be an excellent typist. My neurologist has also offered Gamma Knife for people who can't tolerate medicine. But I've heard bad things about that. Like it takes 3 months to kick in (does that mean I'm not on medicine for that whole time???) And no one knows the long term effects of the radiation.

I don't know why my neurolgist hasn't mentioned Trileptal, because I thought that was the medicine they put you on when you can't tolerate Tegretol. Well, I'm finally going to see her on Tuesday so I can ask her these questions. I'm so tired of back spacing!! I also need to go to sleep and it's only 7:00 in the evening.

Has anyone been on Tegregol this long and had this much trouble?

I could really use some answers, please. Thank you.

Barb

Well I can tell you about Gamma knife. I had it in 08. It lasted for 3 years. It only took away the intense pain. The intense pain came back this past year in May. Although it is not quite as bad as it was prior to the procedure. Everyone is different some people are not helped by it at all. I was able to taper off the meds right away. Some have to wait awhile. Some aren't helped. The one side effect I know of is increased risk of brain cancer later on in life. Knowing what I know now after being on here, I might not have done it. I was pretty desperate to get rid of the pain.

Hi Barb...i'm on Trileptal 300 mg daily but i still have some pain but not like i did very little it doesn't make me sleepy matter of fact I was taking one at bedtime and it kept me awake so my N told me to take my second dose around 3:30 pm....I also take a Xanax around noon it helps also just to take the edge off...Trileptal has fewer side effects...My friend was on the tegregol also and she couldn't handle it....hope you find your answer....God Bless

I can confirm both your instincts and Min's. Trileptal is generally felt to have fewer side effects than Tegretol. Likewise, Bacolofen is not usually administered as the primary treatment -- and more often at lower dose, as an adjunct to Tegretol or Trileptal or Neurontin.

The published treatment standards for Gamma Knife acknowledge that 50% of all those who receive this procedure will have recurrent pain within 3 years. It is also common for the procedure to require weeks to become effective in reduced pain (when it becomes effective at all, which ~25% of all Gamma Knife procedures do not).

Suggest you talk with your neurologist about Trileptal, possibly augmented with a muscle relaxant (flexeril) or mild tranquilizer (Valium).

Regards and best

Red

I have never been able to handle tegretol, in multiple tries and at a much lower dose than that. Similar issues to what you're describing, the biggest issues being the sleeping and I couldn't really remember anything, or drive. I absolutely couldn't handle it. I have had no side effects whatsoever from Baclofen, so I'm not sure the addiction specialist knows what they're talking about. I'm surprised they have experience with it... do they? (what was the neurologist's response to that?). It's probably worth trying. I'm not sure it's helping me, and I think it's supposed to be taken with one of those other medications, but it isn't hurting me, either. There are a lot of other medications to try and maybe one of them will work for you.

tegretol is the only meds they have tried me on so far, been on it about 4 months. Started on a low dose then was pushed up to 1200mg a day, my body couldnt cope with that so have dropped 200mg daily. The neurologist never told me how to spread this through the day so figured out a way myself. I too get worse as the day gets on, getting sleepy and 'spaced out'. My daughters have stopped me falling many a time and they are all quite good at cooking their own food. A lot of the time I cant drive so if I know I have to go somewhere I dont take my dose (not that this amount per day is doing much for pain anyway) Am up for review with neurologist in 5 weeks to see how its going. x

Barb, I am so glad you posted this topic. I am on carbamazepine since dec 14 2011, the generic to tegratol. I have all of the same issues. I am too "off" to even generate much of a response. Blessings

If I were you I would tell your doctor you want to try Trileptal. I did not like the Tegretol, even at low does. I started Trileptal about 10 days ago and have very few side effects from it. It has enabled to to be functional again. I'm not pain free, but it has cut the pain probably 75% and I am talking for the most part without pain now. Still some pain when eating, but not as bad as before. I am taking 300mg twice a day. You have to be your own advocate. There are options other than Tegretol for those that can't tolerate it.

I use Oxcarbazepine (generic for Trileptol) and it does affect me but for not as long. My doc lets me break it up during the day so I don't have to take a nap as early. I also take Topamax so I have major short-term memory issues and word recall and get hand weakness. I am not sure which one causes those problems. I still have pain, but am trying to have part of a life too. If you can handle the transition, I would say it is worth discussing with your doctor.

Mac...is
Bacolofen the only med your on and does it do the job ? I think that's what my NS said he's going to add with my Trileptol after i do my blood work...Do you have any problems with it ?
mac said:

I have never been able to handle tegretol, in multiple tries and at a much lower dose than that. Similar issues to what you're describing, the biggest issues being the sleeping and I couldn't really remember anything, or drive. I absolutely couldn't handle it. I have had no side effects whatsoever from Baclofen, so I'm not sure the addiction specialist knows what they're talking about. I'm surprised they have experience with it... do they? (what was the neurologist's response to that?). It's probably worth trying. I'm not sure it's helping me, and I think it's supposed to be taken with one of those other medications, but it isn't hurting me, either. There are a lot of other medications to try and maybe one of them will work for you.

Oh, yep...was on this for about 6 months too...WAS IN A CONSTANT FOG THE WHOLE TIME! It was terrible! I was switched to Trileptal 600 mg daily almost 3 weeks now and I have had my life returned to me in spades! My pain has been controlled better with this med and I have little breakthrough pain; have been taking Teg 100 mg as needed and have little side affects associated. I agree with blder1...now that you have heard different testimonies of Trilep, ask your Neuro if it would work for you too. I was blessed, the Neuro I go to knew what to try instead of the yukky Teg... best of luck!!

Cris..you said your on 600mg a daily is that each pill 300mg or 150 mg and you take it 4 times daily ? My N is getting ready to double my dose which means i'll be on 600 daily with balcofen....i was just curious ...God Bless

cris said:

Oh, yep...was on this for about 6 months too...WAS IN A CONSTANT FOG THE WHOLE TIME! It was terrible! I was switched to Trileptal 600 mg daily almost 3 weeks now and I have had my life returned to me in spades! My pain has been controlled better with this med and I have little breakthrough pain; have been taking Teg 100 mg as needed and have little side affects associated. I agree with blder1...now that you have heard different testimonies of Trilep, ask your Neuro if it would work for you too. I was blessed, the Neuro I go to knew what to try instead of the yukky Teg... best of luck!!

Donna

I take 300mg twice daily. I still have a few break through episodes, but I am to go back in a week or so and I am thinking he may increase it since I am still having the breakthrough stuff...

I hope the best for you and let us know how the balcofen works for you!! God bless you, too!!

donna said:

Cris..you said your on 600mg a daily is that each pill 300mg or 150 mg and you take it 4 times daily ? My N is getting ready to double my dose which means i'll be on 600 daily with balcofen....i was just curious ...God Bless

cris said:

Oh, yep...was on this for about 6 months too...WAS IN A CONSTANT FOG THE WHOLE TIME! It was terrible! I was switched to Trileptal 600 mg daily almost 3 weeks now and I have had my life returned to me in spades! My pain has been controlled better with this med and I have little breakthrough pain; have been taking Teg 100 mg as needed and have little side affects associated. I agree with blder1...now that you have heard different testimonies of Trilep, ask your Neuro if it would work for you too. I was blessed, the Neuro I go to knew what to try instead of the yukky Teg... best of luck!!

Well, I just had dinner that my husband made after a 2 hour nap. I did forget to say, but I'm sure you figured it out, that the way I'm going, I'll probably never drive again. I depend on my Mother or my husband to drive me anywhere I need to go, and I really miss just taking myself anywhere I want.

I want to thank all of you for your comments. I will ask my N about Trileptal, though for the most part it doesn't sound as effective as Tegretol, and besides having no life, I am pretty pain-free (except for a few break-through moments that don't last long - come from bad weather and stress). She'll most likely tell me that the reason Trileptal is not on her list is that she hasn't had good experience with it (and she has a huge practice and it is her sub-specialty). I'm very afraid of the Gamma Knife which she tried to push on me.

So, I'll see on Tuesday and I'll let you know.

Thanks to all,

Barb

Good Luck Barby.

Update to my visit to the neurologist on Tuesday:

First of all, Sunday night was the worst night of my life. I had a stressful evening (in that I had an argument with my sister-in-law, which has never, in 25 years, happened before) and it really upset me. My husband and I tried to calm me down by watching the Oscars (but they are so boring to me that I couldn't get my mind off the problem). I'm very sensitive, so when things go wrong they can really bother me.

Well, I felt rather nervous about the situation, and just before bed by teeth began to hurt in a way that I can only compare to the first time I got TN (like an electric shock) and the BIGGEST surprise of all was that the opposite side, which has never been involved, hurt just as bad (it was the upper teeth on the left and the lower teeth on the right). The pain was intolerable. Next to labor, it was the worst pain I ever had. I didn't know how I was supposed to go to sleep with this! My husband told me to just try to lay there and see what happened, and eventually I drifted off to sleep, but kept waking up with this horrible pain. When I heard him get up at 6:00 a.m. he got me a double ice pack (ice has always helped in the past) and this soothed me and helped me fall asleep lightly until my alarm went off at 8:00 when I had to get up. I had taken my Tegretol at 6:00 though I normally take it at 10:00 a.m. and when I woke up the pain was gone.

I couldn't believe it went to the other side. I have read about bilateral TN, but it is so rare. Was my stress so great that it brought on bilateral TN??? I really couldn't wait until the next day to see my Neuro.

I told her what had happened and asked her if I now had Atypical TN. She said no, I definitely have type 1 TN, as I have many triggers that are part of TN. I just now have it on both sides. First thing she said is that I am now not a candidate for surgery (my heart dropped). She said there is nothing except opoids to give for a break through like this and I am allergic to all narcotics (they make me itch), but she said they really don't work too well anyway.

She said the KEY is to get all stress out of my life! She can see that I am a sensitive person, and this will only hurt me. I have to stay away from people who will start arguments with me, even if it is a family member. Stress is the worst offender in Trigeminal Neuralgia. I have to learn to let little things go. She suggested a therapist to teach me how to do this. I am willing to give this a try.

In the meantime, I can't eat. I can only eat soft food and there aren't many. I didn't realize how stressed I was before I saw her because when they weighed me I lost 6 pounds, and I can't really afford to do that.

So, about the zombie-like condition -- who cares anymore. With this kind of pain and having it on both sides, I'm certainly not going to change medicines. And she said that Trileptal causes the same sleepiness and is less effective. She could add Baclofen, but that would add more sleepiness. She could add Elavil, but that causes the same sleepiness and adds a lot of weight gain.

She told me that there are 3 different ways to take the Tegretol I am on and may help make the way it is affecting me change a little. 200/200/200/200. 200/200/400 400/400 I am sticking with the first way until the pain (which is back to my usual offending left side) is gone; then I will try 200 in the morning, 200 at 6 in the evening and 400 before bed and maybe I'll have the afternoon without too much drowsiness. I don't know how because she said it's already in the bloodstream so I don't see what difference it can make. But obviously it can or she wouldn't have suggested it.

So, that's my terrible story. Anyone have it on both sides? If so, how do you eat?

Barb

Barby this sounds awful for you :frowning:
I really feel your pain at the stressful occasion with your sister in law. The fact it has never happened before in 25 years means in will have been even more upsetting and who likes to argue anyway? It would have done the same to me, and I can hold my own with the best of them, I just don’t like doing so.
I am hoping you can find ways to handle Stress and TN, all the best.
Jackie

When I was on Tegretol it made me veryyyy sleepy,, I do not have that with Trileptal. I'm just sayin....I have bilateral Type II and when the pain gets bad I have to eat room temperature food first of all and I use oxycodone now. It used to be hydrocodone but that didn't work for the burning pain I was having around my mouth so my neuro switched to oxycodone. Jackie uses the chocolate on the tip of her tongue trick and lets its melt. She can tell you more about that. Type one is soo different you probably cannot even open your mouth from what I've read on here before.... :(

I have been on Tegretol400 mg twice a day for 6 months and I also have trouble with spacey feeling and memory . It is very frustrating . I have tried other anticonvulsants but had a reaction to them so it was back to the Tegretol. It works but it makes me a zombie and I cannot take it and do my job, I work as an RN in a hospital and I work nights . So sorry this is happening to you , but it is nice to find others who share in your difficulties and have similar side effects. I have not found another tolerable treatment yet so I would also be interested to see. Unfortunately, my family does not seem to understand this yet(as my diagnosis is rather new).I need ideas for helping my husband and family to understand this disorder and the medications and their side effects . best of luck to you


Lorianne, your family problem is quite common and very distressing for you. I know I sound like a broken record but there is quite a bit written, and very well too, in the Face Pain Info tab. It explains how to try to get through to relatives and loved ones just what a TN diagnosis is all about and how devastating it can feel especially in the early days. This may seem a glib thing to say but it does really dilute in it’s awfulness in time. When a way to manage our condition can be found it becomes a less mind wrecking way of life.


LoriAnne said:

I have been on Tegretol400 mg twice a day for 6 months and I also have trouble with spacey feeling and memory . It is very frustrating . I have tried other anticonvulsants but had a reaction to them so it was back to the Tegretol. It works but it makes me a zombie and I cannot take it and do my job, I work as an RN in a hospital and I work nights . So sorry this is happening to you , but it is nice to find others who share in your difficulties and have similar side effects. I have not found another tolerable treatment yet so I would also be interested to see. Unfortunately, my family does not seem to understand this yet(as my diagnosis is rather new).I need ideas for helping my husband and family to understand this disorder and the medications and their side effects . best of luck to you