My MVD - Oct. 15, 2014

Background:

I am 47 years old and have had trigeminal neuralgia for 8 years. The first five years were non-eventful, with low doses of Topomax and Trileptal controlling the pain. Until they just didn't anymore. I have since been taking increasingly higher doses of Gabapentin, Carbamazepine and Amnitriptaline, finally reaching the point that I just couldn't function. The pain had worsened along the way and I knew it was time to bite the bullet and have an MVD.

My MVD fear was not so much the surgery itself, but the risks of going into a hospital... MRSA, staff infection, etc. When the pain escalated to 45-minute taser-like attacks, the decision was a “no-brainer,” and I was practically running to the operating room!

After doing significant research, I decided to go to Dr. Raymond Sekula at University of Pittsburgh Medical Center. Here's why: 1) UPMC is where MVD-inventor, Dr. Peter Janetta, practiced. He has been quoted as saying that the reason some MVDs fail is usually because the surgeon doesn't find all of the compressions. I figured he trained the up-and-comers to be thorough, increasing the odds for success. 2) Even though I live in Virginia, my insurance, Humana, would cover everything in-network. 3) I had family nearby that my family and I could stay with before, during and after.

Considering that I am almost 2 weeks post-op with no pain and doing well, I am very pleased with the choice. That's an understatement. I am overwhelmingly grateful to everyone who has helped me get my life back. The experience was not without incident, however, and I'd like to share some things that were surprising to me, many simply a result of it being my first surgery.

Pre-Op Prep:

  • I read just about everything I could find on Living with TN and in the Stricking Back book on MVDs. I like being informed.

  • I packed way too much stuff. I bought a neck pillow, but never used it. I left the hospital in the same clothes I wore in. I didn't even touch my toiletries while in the hospital. I can honestly say that for the first time ever, I didn't care one bit what I looked like!

  • The MRI (3 days pre-op) – The technician didn't make sure all of my hair was inside the cradle and when he sent me “in,” it got caught. Ouch! Fortunately, it wasn't a chunk. I pulled free before he got me back out and then he made sure everything was contained. He went into the booth and from that point on, he didn't say another word. The MRI started before I was totally settled, so I spent the next 30 minutes afraid to move. It was rather uncomfortable.

  • Tests and appointment with Dr. Sekula (2 days pre-op) – I spent a lengthy, tiring day at UPMC getting a lot of tests (hearing, EKG, brain stem evoked response, blood work, xray). Dr. Sekula said the MRI showed only one small blood vessel compessing the nerve. He would rather have seen a large compression and wasn't sure if the MVD would stop the pain. He said the MRI was 3D and would show everything. Needless to say, my heart sunk. An MVD was the last resort and everything had fallen in place so well to allow it to happen. I prayed and couldn't shake the feeling that this was the right thing to do. I just decided to have faith and move forward. I am so glad I did!!

  • I had a free day before the surgery, so we visited family. I had been avoiding public places in the couple weeks leading up to the surgery to keep from getting sick and I certainly didn't want to take any chances now. I had a light dinner, showered again using the medicated soap they gave me to help prevent infection and went to bed early.

Day of Surgery (Weds. 10/15/14):

We had to get up at 3 am to get to UPMC by 5:30 am. I couldn't eat or drink anything after midnight, except for a sip of water to take meds. We got checked in and I wasn't really nervous until the nurse called me (and a few others) to go back for prep. I wanted to run... home! As we were walking the long, winding corridor, I fought the urge to ask “What are y'all in for?” or engage some other such nervous babble.

Once out of my clothes and in my gown, they let my fiance and parents join me. And the fun began. The anethesiology assistant had trouble finding a vain for the IV. Apparently, when we get nervous or cold, our veins shrink back into our bodies. He tried twice with no luck and called another guy over, He flicked the back of my hand really hard a few times and a tiny little vein popped up. It must not have worked very well once in surgery, because I counted 7 more needle pricks on my hands and arms afterwards, a couple of which bruised badly.

Both Dr. Sekula and the anethesiologist came by briefly to see if we had any questions. I was blank. Either I was really well-prepared or just not thinking clearly. I just wanted it over already!

About 5 mins before the scheduled surgery time (7:55 am), they took me back to the OR and I had to get slide onto another bed. It wasn't as easy as I thought. I guess the pre-meds were kicking in. But I was still awake and could look around the room as people were getting ready. Then the oxygen mask went on and that's about all I remember... until I woke up, three hours later.

The first thing that came to me was that I had been dreaming about a little boy and I had the impression that we had been playing with a red ball. He was sitting on a grassy hill, or more like perched on it like an angel on a cloud. Bright sunshine illuminated the sky behind him. He was waving good-bye, smiling... so precious. I was happy, but it was bittersweet as if I had mixed feelings about leaving. He was nothing but pure joy and I felt like I would see him again someday. I tried to tell them (whoever was wheeling me out) about the dream, but all I could say was “I was dreaming.” It was hard to talk.

Then all of a sudden... brace yourself... this part is bad. It was days before I could even talk about it. Right after coming to, I had the most severe, horrendous face pain – 10 times what I had ever felt before. I was screaming, writhing like I was trying to get away from it. A nurse asked me what kind of pain I was having. I could only point to my face. She said, “like before the surgery?” I nodded and managed to say “worse.”

By this time, I was in my bay in the recovery room and they started giving me some kind of pain killer via the IV. It was Dilaudid. SLOWLY, it started to work. And then, my arm started hurting like hell! It was killing me. I was a wreck, not understanding the face pain and now wondering if they were poisoning me. The nurse, Sandy, said I had small veins and sometimes it's painful when they are trying to put so much in so fast. She gave me an ice compress.

At some point Dr. Sekula came in and told me that the surgery went well and they decompressed the nerves without incident. What... nerves? Plural? But I could only think of my arm hurting and told him about it. He told Sandy to turn it down. I could hear her mumble under her breath that it would only prolong the agony, but it did ease the pain some.

Not long after that, the anesthesiologist came in wearing scrubs. Though my vision was blurry, I could see he was not happy with the nurse and she seemed surprised by what he was saying. I was getting really concerned that she had made a mistake and I was going to suffer permanent nerve damage in my arm. (Not the case, more on this later).

They let my fiance and Mom come back to see me briefly. Only 2 people were allowed. My Dad couldn't come. They were smiling, clearly happy that I was alive and could talk. It was awful seeing their faces fall when I told them about the face pain and how bad my arm was hurting. We were all just devastated and confused.

It seemed like I laid there forever, and I found later that my entire time in recovery was about 2 hours. Sandy told me it was time to go, but I heard her tell others she was having trouble with the records transfer system. It kept going down and she didn't know if the orders were being sent. While she was working on this and getting very agitated, I think I lost the room I was supposed to go to. And then, no one from transport was available to take me. So Sandy decided to wheel me herself.... to an overflow room since all the other rooms were full. There were about 6-8 other people in there, with curtains dividing each area. That was a bit of a bummer, but they said that each nurse had only 2-3 patients to care for, so I would get more attention. I was okay with that until I found out they wouldn't let anyone stay with me overnight.

My first nurse, Linda, was great! She told me that the post-op face pain was not uncommon and reminded me that the nerve was compressed for a very long time. She also reassured me that my arm wasn't permanently damaged. She cleaned me up and got chairs for my family. Now this is where the real fun began! I thought I would be drowsy and sleep most of the day. But I was totally wired! Linda said that is not uncommon either. Anesthesia usually makes people sleep, but sometimes, it can have the opposite effect. So, for the next few hours, I sat there in bed and laughed my butt off at everything! In my mind, we were all having a good time, laughing and joking. I was informed later that they were just laughing at me!

After a couple hours, I was getting up to walk to the bathroom with the Linda's help. Apparently, that was a really good thing. All I knew is it felt good to stretch and move, even though my legs were heavy.

My parents left around 5 pm and Bill, my fiance stayed with me until visiting hours were over. I started getting tired, but was still not sleepy. I was looking forward to dinner until it came. The smell made me queasy and I could only take a couple bites. Oddly enough, they served pork roast with gravy and the pepperiest sweet potatoes ever. Not bland at all and way too rich. They also served fresh fruit. I ate some of that and the pudding, of course!

As the evening went on, I was getting more and more tired, and achy. When Bill left at 9 pm, I felt pretty sure I would be going to sleep. But that didn't happen – for 33 hours after surgery!! It was a miserable night. Nothing seemed to control the pain enough for me to get comfortable, and I simply could NOT sleep!! By the morning, I was a mess.

I had a melt down when they told me I couldn't be discharged until I went for a post-op hearing test. They were going to wheel me there at 9 am. I felt so horrible. My head hurt, my neck hurt, my arm still hurt and all I wanted was to sleep! I was not being very nice. I finally relented to the test if they would agree that I could go home. They said it was up to me. I dreaded the hour drive back to my fiance's parents house, but I knew that I had to get out of there to get some sleep.

So, I they gave me a Valium and something for nausea and I was wheeled over to Audiology for the stupid test. I came out of that and was so happy to see Bill there in the waiting room. I almost cried. Then they wheeled me back to my “room” and I changed clothes. Bill went to get the prescriptions and my Dad and Mom wheeled me down to the lobby. At first the smell of Starbucks made me want to puke, then I realized I was REALLY hungry. Dad got me a scone and a green tea and I had a little bit of both. I couldn't really take all of the commotion in the lobby, but when the fresh air hit my face, it felt so good!

Backing up a little... the night of my surgery and the following morning, members of Dr. Sekula's medical team came to check on me. I didn't realize that they were now considered my doctor and I would not be seeing Dr. Sekula again. They didn't seem to have read my chart and it was really annoying for the morning doc to ask me about what meds I had taken overnight. As if I knew! Well, I knew at the time... we tried several things, but by then I wasn't tracking on anything. Sleep deprivation was taking it's toll big time. And I didn't think to ask them all my questions because I kept thinking Dr. Sekula would be coming to see me before I left. So, that was confusing.

All kinds of other people came to check on me too... a patient representative, case worker and finally, someone from anethesiology! I told her about what happened, shared my concern and that I just wanted to understand what happened. She was happy to help and went off to investigate. Soon, she came back to report... the nurse had given me the exact dosages at the exact times the anethesiologist ordered. I guess when he found out she had turned it down, he came in and fussed because he is very particular about the way things are done. My arm would be fine. It has been really sore, but now almost two weeks later, the pain is just about gone.

Two weeks post-op:

So I have just passed the 2 week mark following surgery and I'm doing really well. I have been weaning off meds and have had some brief, somewhat muted shocking pain. I'm not going to worry about that now and within a week, my plan is to be totally off the meds. It is awesome to have a clear head again! My energy is coming back gradually. I am still moving slow (or slow for me), but have been going for short walks in the last couple days. I will keeping increasing my activity level until I get my energy back.

I'm sorry that this is so long, but there were so many things that came a surprises to me, I thought it might be helpful to others. In hindsight, I would not have waited so long to do this, despite how horrible the first 33 hours were and no matter what the final outcome is going to be. I am grateful there were no complications and optimistic that my prognosis is good. Sekula's nurse said there's a 92% chance it will work for 7 years or a lifetime. Those are great odds!

And one final note... there were actually multiple compressions, small ones, but more than the one that appeared on the MRI!! Sekula found that one right away, and went deeper to the root of the nerve where there were more. So, UPMC was a good choice. And I will be eternally grateful to God and everyone who helped me through it all.

Attached is a pic of the incision 7 days post-op. Please feel free to let me know if you have any questions!

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Wow - what a story! I had my MVD surgery one year and one day ago (yesterday was my one year anniversary) by Dr. Casey in Detroit. Like you, I also did my research and Casey had trained at UPMC with Janetta and had partnered with him for many many years. He wrote the Striking Back book.

I'm currently writing my "story" that I will publish next week so that I can hopefully help others. I think it is so helpful to share our experiences. I learned all that I could about the surgery which actually made me feel far less afraid and like you, took that leap of faith. I was at peace the day of the surgery. I didn't have any of the tests that you had. They simply pulled records from my local doctor and neurologist and did an exam. I didn't have an MRI with Dr. Casey at all but he did see my MRI/MRA from my local doctors and was able to easily see two artery compressions that two other neurosurgeons, two neurologists and the radiologists had all missed. At one year, I remain 100% pain and med free and am so grateful that I took that leap of faith. I've decided that I will pay forward by sharing my story with anyone and praying for all those on their TN journey. I realize that I'm not cured as there is no such thing with TN but I'm not in pain now and am so grateful.

Your incision looks great btw - did you have steristrips? That's what Casey used for me so I never had to get stitches out and you cannot even see where the surgery is now. I have really long hair though so that hair is still growing back but it is already 5 inches long and fits in my ponytails now :). It's almost as if it never happened but I will always remember.

Thanks for sharing your story. It does help others more than you know.

Hi Mybell,

I probably would have gone to Dr. Casey if they had accepted my insurance. And it was really convenient to have family near the hospital. So great to hear that you're one year pain AND med free! I'm still weaning off the meds. Have had a few mild shocks since the "big one" when I woke up from surgery. How long did you take to get off meds? Or were you immediately pain free?

They used glue to seal the incision. I think there might be stitches underneath that will dissolve. Almost all of the glue is gone. Now if I could just stop picking at it!

I do hope my story will be helpful. Can't wait to read yours!

I had had TN symptoms for almost 10 months by the time I had my surgery. I had already run up my course on Trileptal to the point I was hallucinating on the high dose and then was switched to Tegretol XR and was at 1200mg by the time of my surgery. At the 1200mg, I was already having breakthrough pain that was getting pretty bad but was at the max dose and just weeks from surgery so I just buckled down until surgery. Immediately after surgery, I felt nothing and then just zings here and there that were uncomfortable but not all that painful, but I was still on the 1200mg of Tegretol XR. Dr. Casey wanted to keep me on the meds for about 6-8weeks at full dose to allow my nerve some time to heal before weaning off. The zaps got less frequent and less intense over the weeks and then I took about 3 weeks to wean off the medicine and was completely off meds by 2 1/2 months after surgery. I've been pain free and med free ever since. I did have occasional "feelings" in my trigger area that didn't register at all on the pain scale, just a sensation with zero discomfort. My neurologist told me that my nerves were remembering the pain like ghost pains and would take a little time to settle down. Now at a year, sometimes, if I push hard on my worst trigger spot, I can almost feel something like a numb spot maybe or a deep sensation with no discomfort but only sometimes, it never just happens on it's own and most of the time I feel nothing.

I hope this info helps. Remember too that I had symptoms for only 10 months and my nerve still needed that healing time so I would imagine after having TN symptoms for several years, it would take a little longer. I love having my life back. It really was a no-brainer for me to decide to have an MVD. My family and husband thought I was crazy at first to run to such a surgery but I don't think anyone can truly understand that those with TN would pretty much do anything to stop the pain.

Oh my gosh... thank you, thank you Mybell! You have made me feel so much better... tears-on-the-keyboard kind of better. I'm going to take it slow getting off the meds and allow myself to just enjoy feeling no pain. At this dose now, even the side effects are negligible. Yesterday, I got a little concerned because I too was feeling sensation. Just enough to remind me of what kind of hell could break loose at any moment.

It's funny that my doc said I should wake up from surgery and feel no pain and be off all meds within a week or two. Well actually, that's not funny because it's just not realistic from what I've read on this site. Thanks to Dr. Casey for telling his patients it could take up to a year for the nerve to heal. And thank to all of you who continue to remind us newbies of this!

Have a great weekend! Sending love and hugs your way...

Thank you for posting. My TM started out of the blue 6 days ago, and this gives me hope.

Dr. Sekula did my MVD at Allegheny General. He was there before where you went. That was 4 yr. in July. I was pain free for about 3 months. He he a great fella. I waited so

long to have the surgery, that I had too much nerve damage already. I now have what they call AD, or anethesia dolorosa. He diagnoised me over the phone by my symptoms. He has been wonderful to answer all of emails within just a few hours. I do believe he knows his stuff to the best of anyone's ability. He has even called me on a Sat. at home 2 yrs. after. I hate what I have now and there is nothing to do for it. I sometimes thing he pain (as bad as it was) was easier then this. At least I kept it under control with meds. I've had all of this for a total of 14yrs. plus. My tongue and lips, cheek, etc. hurt constantly and no one understands. They can't see the physical pain I have. I do fear it will come back. Now on Medicare and I don't know if they will pay for it again. Lots of luck to you.

I am so sorry to hear about the AD. I pray they find some answers for it someday soon. I just can't imagine how scary it must be for you. As I mentioned, I have had TN for 8 years and knowing what I know now, I wish I had gone for an MVD sooner. It is too early to tell if my surgery can be deemed a success. I'm just going to take it one day at a time and be thankful for every pain free, mentally clear minute I have. I haven't talked to Dr. Sekula since he came to see me while I was in the recovery room, but his nurse, Ann, has been very responsive and has answered all of my questions. I am so grateful to them both. All the best to you...

santafered said:

Dr. Sekula did my MVD at Allegheny General. He was there before where you went. That was 4 yr. in July. I was pain free for about 3 months. He he a great fella. I waited so

long to have the surgery, that I had too much nerve damage already. I now have what they call AD, or anethesia dolorosa. He diagnoised me over the phone by my symptoms. He has been wonderful to answer all of emails within just a few hours. I do believe he knows his stuff to the best of anyone's ability. He has even called me on a Sat. at home 2 yrs. after. I hate what I have now and there is nothing to do for it. I sometimes thing he pain (as bad as it was) was easier then this. At least I kept it under control with meds. I've had all of this for a total of 14yrs. plus. My tongue and lips, cheek, etc. hurt constantly and no one understands. They can't see the physical pain I have. I do fear it will come back. Now on Medicare and I don't know if they will pay for it again. Lots of luck to you.

This is a great resource to help you determine what is best for you. I also highly recommend Dr. Casey's book, Striking Back. It is an excellent guidebook to help you navigate the world of meds and other treatments. As I mentioned, I had a good 5 years on low doses of meds. When they stopped working, as many meds will at about the five year mark, I wish I had gone the MVD route then. They say it is best to do it within the first 7 or 8 years, or the nerve may become too damaged to heal completely. Just keep this in mind. If you have any questions, I'm here. My prayers are with you...

Michelle Hasiuk said:

Thank you for posting. My TM started out of the blue 6 days ago, and this gives me hope.

I am so glad you wrote this! My surgery is February 3rd, You should be a writer. I really felt like I was there with you.

Thank you for taking the time to share with us. You made me smile. I would have laughed but that is a trigger for me.

Your a Blessing!

Thank you Blessed! I actually am a writer, so I'm doubly glad you enjoyed reading my recap. Feel free to message me if you have any questions or want to compare notes. I will pray for you. Feeling that you are "blessed no matter what" is half the battle. Let me/us know how it goes!

Juliet, I found your story while trying to find help for my mom. I created her profile here so that she can have support once she goes home today. Her name is Mary Ann and she had MVD three days ago. Her pain is worse now than it was pre-op and she is allergic to most pain meds. They raised her dosage of trileptal and gabapentin (the only meds she has found to be able to take), and that made her really sick last night. How long did your pain last post-op? We are really discouraged and trying everything we can think of to get her some relief. Any thoughts, ideas, suggestions or encouragement? My name is Kay and I’ll be checking this for her until she is able to get on here.

Hi Kay,

Sorry to hear about your mom having pain post-MVD. It's so scary and discouraging, but don't give up. Hopefully she will tolerate the meds better within a couple days. Surgery takes such a toll on your body. When I had the horrid mega-attack immediately post-op, they game me dilaudid intravenously and that took care of it. I have been pain free on the lower nerve, but have still experienced a little TN2-type pain in the nerve in my upper jaw. Low doses of gabapentin and carbamezapine control it. Just this week, I have started to wean off them again. (I gave myself a break for the holidays and took the meds so I didn't have to worry about anything.) But I want to see if I can be completely med-free. So far, so good. I have felt some sensation, but no pain.

I have read that TN super-doc, Ken Casey, says it can take up to a year for the nerve to heal. I take B-12 supplements to help repair the myelin. And also just discovered this these products that I hope to try when finances improve.

http://www.biogetica.com/how-to-cure-trigeminal-neuralgia-with-natural-treatment?gclid=Cj0KEQiArK6lBRC5-_jv48uxgrgBEiQAuxdZ9eCyMEGYleSPp3Gk1QnmlVurmu0P9npBshCdDxhnQoYaAnDJ8P8HAQ

What kind of sick is your mom feeling -- nausea? If so, try ginger, or ask the docs if they can give her something. It's only been 3 days. The sick may be due more to anesthesia than the meds. Too soon to worry too much, I think. Who did her MVD? Give my best to your Mom. She's lucky to have you as an advocate for her. Hang in there!

Dr Guthrie at UAB in Birmingham, AL did her MVD. All pain meds pretty much make her vomit uncontrollably until she is dehydrated. It’s definitely the trileptal that is making her sick at the higher dose. She’s about to leave the hospital now. Thank you for your thoughts and suggestions.

Also, she had a tumor pressing on that nerve as well, and he removed about half of it to get it away from the nerve. Dr. Guthrie wants to keep her on the higher dose for several days to let her body get used to it, so we'll be doing preventative phenergan since they pinpointed the trileptal as the culprit. She is encouraged to know that there are others of you who didn't experience immediate relief. But, she said that if this pain doesn't subside, there's no way she could go back to work like this.

Well, I'm glad they were able to determine exactly what is making her sick. And I sure hope that -- and the pain, subsides soon. My prayers are with her and your family. I know how hard it all is. Take care...