My experience with MVD- a detailed report

I have had a MVD surgery 11 days back and I wanted to share my experience- why did I go for the surgery, why did I not choose any other less invasive surgeries like radio surgery (Gamma Knife) etc..

A brief history of my TN pain

I am now 43 years old and was diagnosed with TN in 2003 i.e. about 10 years back. I have been on carbamazepine (Tegretol CR) all these years. The dosage was adjusted according to the level of pain. Max I went upto is 800mg and lowest was 200mg of Tegretol CR.

Why did I go for the surgery (especially after so many years)?

To be frank, I think I should have gone for the surgery many years back. The Tegretol was keeping the pain in check and I was somehow able to take the TN pain in my stride and was not effected much with it emotionally.

I had visited a reputed Neurologist about 5-6 years back and had specifically asked him whether I should go for MVD- his answer was a clear no. He said that I should not even think of it. I did not question him further as to why he said so. I guess the reason is that people feel why take the risk (and pain + cost) of a surgery when the pain can be handled by medication, especially when the problem (TN) is benign otherwise.

I would like to add here that this experience has shown me that Neurologists and Neurosurgeons think in different ways. For a Neurologist surgery is the last option. A Neurosurgeon thinks that if the pain can be got rid of by a surgery then why not go for it.

In past month before my surgery my pain increased and would not go back. Dosage went to 800mg Tegretol, I probably needed a higher dose but my body couldn't take a higher dose- I felt sort of out of balance. I could, as earlier, able to bear the pain but I always hated to be on medication for all my life + the drowsiness the medication brings has affected my work effciency.

At this time I got an inner call (or it can be called conviction) that I wanted to go for surgery.

What articles or links helped me to decide on the type of surgery to go for?

The thing that helped me most is the book Striking Back! The Trigeminal Neuralgia and Face Pain Handbook written by George Weigel and Kenneth F. Casey. George Weigel himself has had TN and then went for MVD surgery. The book is written for layman, like most of us who do not have a medical background as such. This book is my bible for TN. The material on the web is pretty scattered and wasn’t that helpful. This book covers everything very nicely- also give stats of things like success rate, success rates over time for all the different kinds of surgeries- the though the cheek ones, Gamma Knife and MVD. This book is a must read- plain and simple.

http://www.fpa-support.org/2011/01/striking-back-the-trigeminal-neuralgia-and-face-pain-handbook/

I of course searched around on the web too. This Living with TN site and discussions on it were very useful as there are a lot of people who are having or have had TN.

This TNA Online Community was useful too .

http://www.fpa-support.org/forumlanding2.html

More information on Gamma Knife TN Treatment

http://www.neurosurgery.pitt.edu/centers-excellence/image-guide-neurosurgery/trigeminal-neuralgia

What were my findings? Why did I choose MVD over other surgeries?

My main findings were-

  1. MVD is the most invasive surgery out of the other options like glycerol injection, balloon compression, radiofrequency rhizotomy and radio surgery (Gamma Knife - GK).
    Note: Though GK seems non-invasive as there are no cuts made, it is really speaking not so. It causes damage not just to the trigeminal nerve but also a little to surrounding area (so I believe).
  2. Other than MVD the other surgeries like glycerol injection, balloon compression, radiofrequency rhizotomy and Gamma Knife were destructive surgeries. They damage the trigeminal nerve so that it does not carry back the pain signals to the brain. The tradeoff is that due to injury to the trigeminal nerve there is some permanent facial numbness that will come.
  3. MVD has the highest rate of success compared to other surgeries. Different sources give different figures. My neurosurgeon has performed more than 700 MVDs and he said that the success rate is 93% or higher.
  4. MVD is more likely that other surgeries to cause complete pain relief. It also has more likely to bring long term relief. In other surgeries the chances of the pain coming back in a few years is quite high.

From above I was sure that MVD was the one for me. It’s the best option if you are physically fit enough, if not then the other surgeries can be considered.

Were there people who felt that I was making a wrong choice by going for MVD?

Yes, I had visited a reputed neurologist some 5 years back. He advised me to not even think of MVD due to the risks involved. When I read the above book then I realized that neurologists and neurosurgeons think in different ways- neurologists will always favor the medicine route while neurosurgeons will favor surgery. It’s finally up to us decide what to do. I was given reference of two more neurologists but I did not visit them as I did not want to get confused.

My family members too where apprehensive about me going for MVD due to the risks involved. But I was clear in my mind. Other thing is that, I think the risk for MVD is exaggerated. I am not a medical expert but I do firmly believe so- especially after the figures given by my neurosurgeon + going by my own experience.

Who was my surgeon and what made me choose him?
I was operated on by Dr Jayadev Panchwagh of Pune, India. I found his website from google and then went and visited him soon after that. On meeting him I was clear that I need not look further and could completely trust Dr Pachwagh and his team to operate on me.

He and his team have done more than 700 MVDs. He sounded so confident and at the same time was pretty open in sharing the facts. I had gone to visit him along with my wife (who herself is a doctor) and my mother. We all got a positive feeling on meeting him and Savita Khaladkar who assists Dr Panchwag.

My family and I am and always will be thankful to him and his team.

Note: you should always choose the surgeon and hospital where MVDs are done frequently. This increases chances of success a lot as the operating team is geared for the surgery.

Alright, now coming to the actual surgery- how did my surgery go?

Surgery went very well. It’s been more than 10 days now since I am without Tegretol and without any pain. It’s such a nice feeling! There is numbness on my right side of face but I am told that it will go in a few weeks.

I am very happy to have got this surgery done. It brings back a lot of quality to my life- no more sedative effect due to Tegretol and no more fear of the pain.

What was the procedure followed at the hospital for the surgery?

I got admitted day before the surgery. Different tests were done to make sure that I am fit for the surgery. Some of the tests done were checking blood sugar level, checking blood pressure, different blood tests like hemoglobin level, HIV test etc.. An intra-cat was inserted for injecting fluids into my body (no medicine was injected before the operation). They completely shaved my head and also the pubic area. This was done to avoid chances of infect. Pubic area was done as the catheter is inserted there for the urine bag. Once I was told why they are doing the shaving I had no problems with it. BTW- head shaving was ok, but after pubic area shaving that area looked so different and ugly without the hair!

Before the surgery I was taken to the OT and given general anesthesia through the intra-cat. I did not even realize it- in no time I was knocked out and do not remember anything. Surgery lasted a little more than 2 hours. After the surgery I was moved to the ICU for monitoring. When I was being moved my family members were with me and I could recognize them. They were quite relieved to see that.

I was in ICU for one day. I was conscious almost all the time. The first two days were difficult. I did not get sleep and was not able to orally take in even water and vomited it out. I could not get up to sitting position from the bed or lie done on my own as there was weakness in my neck. But after three days I could sit and sleep on my own. I was able to go for short walks. I got a lot of support from my family- someone was with me all the time in the hospital. When I came home they made sure I get good rest and good nourishment.

After the surgery, after each day there was dramatic improvement which everyone could notice. I was discharge after 5 days. After the first few days the progress is slower. The facial numbness has reduced but it will take few weeks to months for it to go.

I had 11 sutures put. They were removed after the 10th day. Removing them takes just about a minute.

How soon can I get to work? Any precautions I need to follow?

After 2 weeks from the surgery I can work few hours a day. After 3 weeks I can work even more. I was told not to drive to work for one or two months more as after any brain surgery there can be problem with physical balance.

Any tips for fellow TN people?

It’s been just 10 days since my surgery so it’s a little premature for me to say anything. But my experience so far has been very good. I have made the right decision. It’s not worth living with TN for the rest of your life and managing it with medication. After I have been off the carbamazepine I feel less sleepy during the day and my bowel movements are also better. Wow, what a relive!

I would say that do not keep thinking too much. Do your research and choose the best option. But if say you decide to go for surgery then get it done quickly. Go with a positive frame of mind.

It of course goes without saying that I will be most willing to answer any specific question someone has :)

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Hi, I am new to tn and am still battling to get to a maintenance dose of Tegretol. Thank you I found your account very informative, good luck with your post op recovery and you life free from pain. All the best Karen x

Thanks for sharing your account, as Valley Girl stated it was very informative. Good luck on your recovery

Hi Manoj,

Welcome to LwTN!

Thank you so much for sharing your recent experience with MVD as well as your journey to making that decision. I’m so happy to hear that you are recovering well and experiencing no TN pain.

I too had MVD recently, April 9th, and am recovering well.
I too have had TN over ten years, was diagnosed in 2002.
There are quite a few us that had this procedure this month, so it will be nice to heal together and share our experiences.

Please keep posting and letting us know how you are doing in the weeks ahead.

I wish you continued well-being.

Mimi

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Excellent write up... Very encouraging also that it seems you responded even after 10 years!

Wonderful! Great post:)

Thanks for this! I have already made the decision to go for the surgery...........some day. I am just not mentally ready yet. But I DO know that I will not go for the lesser procedures, I will go ahead and get the MVD because it has the highest success rate. Now if I can just get mentally ready for them to go inside my BRAIN, then I will do it. I am on 1200mg tegretol a day now. I had to go up from 800 because the breakthrough pains were too terrible. I have to split it into 3 doses to keep me from being so drunk on it. I still work full-time, but I am tired all the time. And forgetful too! I am hoping I will be mentally ready about a year from now. I can't do it in the fall or winter because we are in the propane business and that is our busy season. So hopefully next spring I will be ready. Good luck in your recovery!

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Hello Manoj

What a wonderful post! You sure are thinking clearly. I appreciate all the details and your willingness to share. Your family must be overjoyed. I wish you continued recovery with each and every day.

Peace and Happiness
Bellalarke

99% success rate???? Really???????

I am so mad I had an MVD and it did not work at all and I had to have another operation 2 weeks later because of a CSF leak that was due to a hole in the sealant over the wound. 99% success rate??? Why me???????

Did this doctor follow up with all 700 of his patients?

Don, I’d be pissed off too with two failed MVDs, and probably ask the Why Me question as well. Do you want to start a separate discussion about that?



Don said:

99% success rate??? Really???

I am so mad I had an MVD and it did not work at all and I had to have another operation 2 weeks later because of a CSF leak that was due to a hole in the sealant over the wound. 99% success rate??? Why me???

Did this doctor follow up with all 700 of his patients?

I regret putting my own experience and outrage in my reaponse and apologize for overdoing it. I think it is great that Manoj got relief, but 99%??? I have never heard of numbers that high. I am very skeptical and believe I have a right to be. I have heard and read stats like a 90% success rate for those with TN1 pain exclusively that included some improvement over pre-op pain, but 99%??? Are you kidding me??? That has to be questioned right here and now.

Not even just 99%, higher than 99%???

Don, I have always thought you to be kind to others and very supportive. Sorry if that sounded harsh. I too question the 99.99999. Sounds like a NS blowing smoke up the old proverbial…



Don said:

Not even just 99%, higher than 99%???

This was very informative and helpful for me!

Did you have typical type 1 trigeminal neuralgia pain?

I had to get on Ritalin - so I could research for MVD - meds made it impossible to retain medical info. Got that idea from here.

Yeah... 99% just a tad high -- You never know what will happen.

I know a man in my local support group who had gamma knife - then 2 MVD's with Dr. Casey- we are all so different - yet alike.

I fear dr. Casey will be out of practice if I ever need a second one. So I have my eye on Dr. Lim in Baltimore.

I'm glad you woke up pain free - I did also.

My MVD was 10/2011 - now 2 years later - I have intermittent 2-5% pain -- that, I can live with but the PTSD of it all makes it hard sometimes!

This is an awesome chronological order of events that you shared with us. Its wonderful you are doing so well after surgery. Can I ask you what was the offending vessel that was causing the compression? I do not think I read it any where. Its great to share your journey for those especially contemplating MVD. It gives them insight on what they can expect. An informed decision is the best one. Keep us posted on your comtinued sucess and wondeful to hear so far Pain Free!
My Best
Joannexo

Hi Mini,

Thank you! Looks like our cases are very similar. I pray for your speedy recovery too :)

Some of the readers have asked some queries and I will try and get the answers and add that information to the above article.

- Manoj


Mimi said:

Hi Manoj,
Welcome to LwTN!
Thank you so much for sharing your recent experience with MVD as well as your journey to making that decision. I'm so happy to hear that you are recovering well and experiencing no TN pain.
I too had MVD recently, April 9th, and am recovering well.
I too have had TN over ten years, was diagnosed in 2002.
There are quite a few us that had this procedure this month, so it will be nice to heal together and share our experiences.
Please keep posting and letting us know how you are doing in the weeks ahead.
I wish you continued well-being.
Mimi

Yes- typical type 1. Right side V2.



brbgrl1017 said:

This was very informative and helpful for me!

Did you have typical type 1 trigeminal neuralgia pain?

Hi Donna,

I am curious to know, if you do not mind my asking, how long have you had TN, is it typical TN and lastly (sorry to ask this) what is your age?

I am not a medical expert but just curious to know.

Donna Cook Turnage said:

Thanks for this! I have already made the decision to go for the surgery...........some day. I am just not mentally ready yet. But I DO know that I will not go for the lesser procedures, I will go ahead and get the MVD because it has the highest success rate. Now if I can just get mentally ready for them to go inside my BRAIN, then I will do it. I am on 1200mg tegretol a day now. I had to go up from 800 because the breakthrough pains were too terrible. I have to split it into 3 doses to keep me from being so drunk on it. I still work full-time, but I am tired all the time. And forgetful too! I am hoping I will be mentally ready about a year from now. I can't do it in the fall or winter because we are in the propane business and that is our busy season. So hopefully next spring I will be ready. Good luck in your recovery!

Thank you so much for your story, Manoj! In a similar way to you, I have come to the decision to have an MVD for my Type 1 TN. I have seen 2 Neurosurgeons that are experts in this surgery and teach the surgery and about TN at our university here and have chosen the one. My problem is that both Neurosurgeons agree that while I'm a perfect candidate for this surgery and my risks are extremely low (44 years old and am a fitness instructor), it is premature to have the surgery since my TN started just 4 months ago. The protocol is the live on the medicine for a time which is absolutely not for me.

I am on Trileptal and have gone from 150mg the first week in January to now 1200mg in just 4 months. It works well until the pain breaks through after a few weeks and then I have to up the medicine. Each time I increase, the side effects are bad. On a daily basis I am drowsy off and on and have a continuous brain fog. Now and then, I also get dizzy, lightheaded, faint and sometimes even have what feels like an "out of body" experience (just all of those symptoms at the same time). The only up side to the meds is that I've never slept better in my life or at least since I had kids.

I was referred to a new Neurologist since my first was a headache specialist and was not comfortable prescribing high doses of Trileptal. I imagine that I will be switched to a different med. I'd like to get through this drug protocol sooner than later because I am ready to have my MVD and put this behind me. If it's all a success (and I believe it will be), I do plan to stay connected to the TN world and do all I can to help others. I'd like to organize a walk/run here in Indy to raise money for TN each year. It's rare diseases like TN that need the most support and awareness.