Does anyone have Atypical GPN?

Hi -

I'm new to the forum, having recently been diagnosed. For the past 15 months I was under the impression that I had sudden onset of Chronic Daily Migraine, so this is quite a switch. You can read the details on my profile page, but instead of the sharp electricity pains, my pains present as headache or stabbing pains in my throat (which my first neurologist waved off), my ear, and my head. I'm not sure how my temple and eye pain fit in, but I still have a lot to learn.

I have been on anti-convulsants (Topomax 100mg) and anti-depressants (Cymbalta 120 mg) for a year. With this diagnosis, I am ramping up on a new anti-convulsant, which I can only assume is considered better for GPN? (Trileptol 300mg ramping to 600mg). I have headaches all the time, while I work through them as much as I can, they interfere with my activities as least a couple of times a week.

Does anyone here know anything about atypical GPN? Is it more or less treatable? Is MVD surgery an option? I haven't seen my latest MRIs from this year, but last year didn't show looping vessels. My new neurologist, a headache specialist, who has proposed this diagnosis is sending me to an ENT with my CT angiogram of my neck for a second opinion in a few weeks.

Thanks for any comments or feedback-

Jessica

Hi Jessica,

Sorry to hear about your pain. Did a Neurosurgeon diagnose you with the atypical GPN? I think the atypical kind is identified as just not the text book case, with symptoms varying out of the range of normal symptoms, hope that makes sense. Dr. Tew, a Neurosurgeon diagnosed me with the atypical kind, and said the MVD surgery usually does not help this type. BUT, I went to a Dr. Jametta in Pittsburgh, since he was the Dr. who invented this surgery. Found out he and Dr. Tew, once worked together. They are both older, but pretty sure Dr. Janetta is retired by now and should have been when he did my third MVD. I guess for some with this pain, like myself, would do anything to make this pain go away but after the second surgery I should have given up, since the last one I had in Dec. of 2006 caused the left side of my face some paralysis, and deaf in left ear, with balance problems. I just had eye surgery to repair the damage over time that resulted from the third try. The Dr. accidentally cut the 7th cranial nerve which controls balance, and hearing on that side of brain. It also caused paralysis of my left face, which has somewhat resolved. It may have been worth it if this surgery would have helped with the pain, but it did nothing. I'm not sure why Dr. J even thought he could fix the problem since they say with the atypical type, that MVD probably, well usually does not work. BUT, that was in 2006, things may be different now. I had hysterectomy in 2000, the night of my surgery, shortly after waking up, my GPN pain was pretty strong, for the first time. It was strange telling the nurses I had throat and Left ear pain, after a hysterectomy, lol. I don't think I'll ever forget that night! I guess the reason you have an atypical diagnosis is because of your headaches, that sounds a little different? Although the pain on your face near eyes, sounds more like trigeminal? Is the pain on one side? Usually with these neuralgias the pain affects one side. I've heard Trigeminal and GPN can go together. I guess I would ask your Dr. if the headaches could be from the stress caused by chronic pain in throat and ear? They say this type of pain can become worse with stress, anxiety or even when you don't feel well. I notice this now, when I have say a stomach flu, my pain goes up x's 10. So maybe one is causing the other, just never heard of headaches from either neuralgias. So, maybe if the pain is more superficial it possibly could be trugeminal also? But this also affects one side, around mouth, along one side of face, one side of eye, or forehead. This is true with migraine headaches though too, as far as it being on one side, but with migraines they can alternate sides, as for these neuralgias, affect only one side only, but maybe for the few who are lucky could have this on both sides, that would be rare though. Before my hysterectomy I had migraines, but ever since that surgery, I guess w/o hormones now, my migraines have stopped, wow what a trade off! I didn't think they could see the nerves on an MRI or any test, but maybe today? Dr. Tew diagnosed mine, saying it was atypical GPN, by swabbing the back of my throat with a viscous xyllocaine, which numbed the pain for several minutes, or until it washed off, so he prescribed this for me. It really didn't work long term. At times the pain is so bad, my eye, inside nose, and roof of mouth just on left side feels as if it is on fire. I cannot say it is electrical but more as if acid is in throat, L ear, L mouth, and nose. The best way for me to describe pain is as if I had an ice cube on areas affected for too long, where it burns, I guess like frostbite would feel like, just hot? Also, my gag reflex on left side is absent, but right side is strong. Dr. also had me close my eyes, them took a needle and lightly tapped face beginning on one side going from left to right or visa versa. We then noticed that when the needle tapped the middle of my nose, I either felt the pain, or didn't, depending on which side he was tapping. In my case, I didn't feel the sharp tap on left side until it got to the middle of nose, then towards the right side there was pain. To this day I'm not sure if that was a symptom of GPN or something different. Not sure which diagnosis that Dr. gave me, lol! I I've seen so many Dr.'s since 2000, with different diagnosis, but more than one said my pain and numbness sounds as if I had a mid brain stroke during hysterectomy, but even that did not show up on any MRI or test. My pain is more constant, not just when swallowing now, although when it first began it came and went, every 3-4 weeks or so, but then the pain became closer and closer, till today when it is rare that I don't have one day w/o pain. Seems like anything cold makes it worse, esp being out in the cold wind.

Not sure this is helpful, since after three tries of MVD I wonder if it is GPN, but during all three surgeries, they did find areas where the nerve was looped many times, but in different areas. They didn't see the twisting on any MRI or photo first, and Dr. told me when the GPN is involved it's impossible to follow the entire nerve from brain stem to end. I guess its possible there were areas they couldn't see, or get to? Who knows, but today, and I am sure tomorrow, this pain from a hysterectomy will always be a puzzle.

You'll have to reply, maybe comparing symptoms can answer both of all of our many questions, for others also, hopefully! Good luck with finding a Dr., just don't settle for one you don't feel is answering your questions. I have heard they have advanced this treatment even since 2006. I traveled to 3 different states for answers, but still have same pain today. I used to work as a nurse but the weird thing is today, I hate going into a hospital or Dr.'s office, as before I really enjoyed what I did, guess life really does go in a full circle. Try to be patient but persistent.

Hang in There

Kat

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Hi Kat,

Thanks so much for your reply. So far I have been diagnosed by a neurologist, not a neurosurgeon. Compared to many on this forum, I am probably at the beginning of my journey and possibly overly eager to have any diagnosis that makes sense to associate with this debilitating pain I have been having.

What was explained to me (and so far that I have been able to confirm with my own research) is that it is being called atypical is because my pain is presenting as dull, stabbing or ice pick style (like a migraine) and not the typical electricity style pain of most neuralgia sufferers. It is strictly on my left side (and doesn't switch - like most migraneurs do between episodes.) So I agree with your comments that my symptoms are in the right place - but not textbook style, which from what I understand is why many atypical patients can go for many years as misdiagnosed as migraine patients.

I agree that I am showing some symtoms of both GPN and possibly trigeminal. My neuro said this could possibly be do to cross-talk between the nerves or I might have multiple nerve involvement. During my neuro evaluation though, I only grossly failed the GPN nerves, like gag reflex for example doesn't work on my left side.

It's disheartening to hear the MVD may not be appropriate for me - I am on such a cocktail of drugs, that while they make it so I can go to work, I definitely feel I am living a slightly 'drugged' life right now - the dopey mind of anti-convulsants, the sleepy, lethargic life of anti-depressants.

My symptoms came on suddenly during a very stressful time at work - not sure if that was just when my body decided this was time or if there was a tie between stress or no. It happened a couple weeks after my 38th birthday.

If I do get referred to a neurosurgeon at any time, I will definitely be traveling out of town for that - I appreciate the referral to Dr. McLaughlin. While Denver is not a small market - I haven't heard of a single specialist in MVD around here. I have a feeling I am still many months away - with trying more combinations of drugs first. My gut says I don't want to mask the problem with drugs for the rest of my life though if there is a possibility of a long-term drug-free/drug-reduced solution.

-Jessica

Hi Jessica,

I have GPN but I also have ATN which presents itself exactly how you describe it. I was diagnosed in Vienna, Austria and am taking Lyrica and Cymbalta. I was diagnosed first with the ATN and then a few years later the GPN reared its very ugly head. At the moment it is in remission, but the ATN is always there. I live with it. When the ATN gets "migraine like" or I feel like my eye is going to burst.. I just take an extra Lyrica. Consider the possibility that you might also have both.

I moved to Germany a year ago and as yet have not been able to find a good neurologist here. I have been to 3 and they have all told me that in Germany they dont believe in ATN or AGPN....the pains are just pyschosomatic as they cant find the source and neurological pain is ALWAYS a shooting pain!!. I am very frustrated about and it is depressing to hear such rubbish....!! I hope to find a good one soon......

Good luck

Gillian

Gillian,

Thanks very much for the feedback. I have been wondering if I do have ATN as well. I haven't tried Lyrica. Has this provided any relief for you? What do your pains feel like? Aching, clenching, stabbing, ice pick? I have not had any periods of remission yet.

I cannot imagine how frustrating it must to be told that pains are psychosomatic. When I first came down with my pain, it was during a period of high stress and so I tried to be open to all possibilities and I saw a psychologist to explore if this could be stress related and "all in my head." It was a good period of self-discovery, but I know it is not psychosomatic and it is so disappointing to hear that your are experiencing this in Germany.

-Jessica

I was diagnosed with gpn/atn 4 years ago. I had unsuccessful mvd with Dr. Peter Jenetta in Pittsburgh in Dec 2010. I have been through several neurologists (they all just want to throw drugs your way and offer no explanation or cause) I was on 450 mg of Lyrica a day and existing in misery. When my symptoms 1st started 4 years ago I also experienced pain in my neck/shoulder, this pain was minor compared to the pain in my throat, ear and eye so I focused on that. This past Dec in spite of all the Lyrica I noticed the pain in my neck/shoulder was worse so I went to a Spine surgeon. He asked questions about the pain and whether I had numbness/tingling in my arm and he made it clear to me that there is no connection to facial pain, cranial nerves and nerves in my neck/spine. when I told him how much Lyrica I was taking he agreed to order an MRI of my neck (Lyrica can mask the typical symptoms of a compressed/pinch nerve) The MRI showed two bad discs in my neck and he was talking pretty serious surgery and insisting it had nothing to do with my other symptoms and they would continue. After having so many procedures/surgeries I was not prepared to go through this and still be miserable. The surgeon offered to set me up for an injection that would calm the nerve temporarily and allow me to see what relief I would get from the surgery. When I went for the injection the doctor told me the same same thing about the connection between the cranial nerves and cervical nerves (no connection). I had the injection done and for the 1st week my symptoms (throat/ear/eye) were worse and then much better. Today I am 8 weeks post op from surgey, I had two discs removed and replaced with donor bone (anterior cervical fusion). It takes 6 months to a year for this bone to completely fuse but my relief was immediate!! I have an occasional twinge but I can rotate my neck and it will stop, I am told this is part of the fusion process. My biggest problem since the surgery has been weaning off the lyrica, I am at 25mg a day and some days do not have to take it at all, but same days I feel nauseaus if I do not take it. I am hopeful in the next few weeks to be medication free. Please do not accept this atypical diagnosis, be persistent. Try some neck strenghtening excercises (especially when you have a headache) and see if they make any difference. All the meds can mask other things and the pain can certainly overshadow any other kind of pain, don't give up or give in to this atypical diagnosis. I hope you find answers and relief soon! Prayers and Blessings.

Thank you so much for sharing this with us! I also take Lyrica and have weaned myself down from 600mg to 75mg. At the moment I am trying to wean off Cymbalta as well and am down to 30mg from 60mg. I also feel extremely nauseaus on some days..depressed on others.

Some days I have to up the Lyrica as the pain in too much....but I am getting there. I also suffer from ATN which is playing up at the moment, and I am looking for information on Botox and if it can help. Best wishes to you all for pain free days ahead.

Gillian



jessica said:

Gillian,

Thanks very much for the feedback. I have been wondering if I do have ATN as well. I haven't tried Lyrica. Has this provided any relief for you? What do your pains feel like? Aching, clenching, stabbing, ice pick? I have not had any periods of remission yet.

I cannot imagine how frustrating it must to be told that pains are psychosomatic. When I first came down with my pain, it was during a period of high stress and so I tried to be open to all possibilities and I saw a psychologist to explore if this could be stress related and "all in my head." It was a good period of self-discovery, but I know it is not psychosomatic and it is so disappointing to hear that your are experiencing this in Germany.

-Jessica

Hi Jessica,

Thanks for your kind words and understanding. I hope you experience a remission soon, it helps the pyschi and the soul and not just the body.

My GPN started not long after I was diagnosed with "Burn Out Syndrome" but the ATN has been there for much longer, I was diagnosed on the left side in 1997 but was able to live without medication until after the GPN started. I feel burning around the lips, and almost migraine like head pain or as you described....as if someone is hitting me with an ice pick (good description!) I also often feel as if my eye is going to either explode or be pushed out. Other days I have burning inside my mouth,lips and toothache where I have no teeth also pain in the tongue...some days just everything together. They are the worst!!

I just try to acceot that the pain is there and go with it....it helps.

Best wishes for painfree days

GIllian

Hi, mine seems atypical. It is a constant pain in my throat, ear, jaw, and neck right sided. It is nearly always there, then ramps up -- eating seems to be ok. but talking and turning my neck seem to trigger it. the attacks are increases in the pain they can last for an hour. then pain backs down, but again is always there. Neurontin so far takes the edge off, i'm hoping it continues to work, but it does come with the side effects -- fatigue and the dopey feeling. I tried to go off the meds, bad idea pain went crazy, i barely made it through the morning at work. I'm going to have to take them for now. I've only been diagnosed by an ENT after normal MRI, MRA, and CT of neck with contrast. Also had egd because of throat which was normal. Seeing neuro on monday. Symptoms have been for about 3 months, and diagnosed about 1 month ago. Still wishing I could go back in time to when I was pain free. I have two kids, and work full time, a teenager and a toddler, both have a hard time understanding why mom has not been herself. This seemed to come on after a bad viral illness, possibly viral meningitis and also a diagnosis of hashimotos thyroiditis.

Hoping we can all be pain free one day.

Ern,

I feel the same about Trileptol, makes me drowsy, but I can't imagine going off the meds. I would be completely bedridden within 48 hours. I do get get throat pain sometimes - for a while I thought it was allergies - but finally tied it to my headache cycles. My challenge is that my headaches never go away, they get stronger (4/10, 5/10, 6/10) and weaker (2/10, 3/10) - I record a daily score - but they are never, ever gone. That one fact makes me wonder if I don't really fit into GN (or TN for that matter).

All this feedback from other forum members has been so helpful; I will be so much more informed when I go for my second opinion on June 18th. I can't wait to hear what my CTAngiogram of my neck (w/contrast) did or didn't show.

I have forgotten what a pain free day feels like - but I do dream for that day :-) it is in my future - I will keep fighting for answers for myself and others

Not sure it is relevant, but I also have hashimotos thyroiditis - but I was diagnosed with that about 10 years ago.

Sounds like you have GN.

Jessica,
Sorry this is so brief, but oddly enough I was just diagnosed with hashimotos too.
I did find a case report that linked hashi’s with
Trigeminal neuralgia.

The pain can wear you down, stay strong! Hope you find
Some answers and relief soon.
Ernestine

jessica said:

Ern,

I feel the same about Trileptol, makes me drowsy, but I can’t imagine going off the meds. I would be completely bedridden within 48 hours. I do get get throat pain sometimes - for a while I thought it was allergies - but finally tied it to my headache cycles. My challenge is that my headaches never go away, they get stronger (4/10, 5/10, 6/10) and weaker (2/10, 3/10) - I record a daily score - but they are never, ever gone. That one fact makes me wonder if I don’t really fit into GN (or TN for that matter).

All this feedback from other forum members has been so helpful; I will be so much more informed when I go for my second opinion on June 18th. I can’t wait to hear what my CTAngiogram of my neck (w/contrast) did or didn’t show.

I have forgotten what a pain free day feels like - but I do dream for that day :slight_smile: it is in my future - I will keep fighting for answers for myself and others

Not sure it is relevant, but I also have hashimotos thyroiditis - but I was diagnosed with that about 10 years ago.

I am sorry, I am not sure what Atypical GPN is exactly? I do know, Mom has GPN. Unfortunately, our Neuro surgeon, Dr. Tew, did not see the blood vessel impeding upon the nerve in the MRI images. He therefore does not believe the surgery will help right now. Mom can barely swallow now. Between the nausea, the constant pain, and inability to swallow.... well, it is very scary.

Seeing a blood vessel or not should not determine if surgery is necessary. It just helps justify the procedure. GPN is mostly a clinical diagnosis. Find a surgeon who is VERY experienced with the disease.

Tammy Jo -

Based on your Mom's symptoms it sure sounds like she needs a second opinion. I'm sorry to hear that her current Neurosurgeon isn't seeing the bigger picture but is solely focused on the results of the MRI.

-Jessica

Tammy,

Well, Dr. Tew is who I saw the first time, and he told me I had atypical and that he couldn't do surgery on atypical GPN, but then I went to Pittsburgh had 3 surgeries, which none of them worked either. So, maybe Dr. Tew was correct. Dr. Tew and Dr. P. Janetta discovered these surgeries, along with the gamma knife, so you'd think they'd know what they are doing, but I didn't have a great experience with either group. I too didn't think that both GPN and TN showed up on any x-ray, even Dr. Tew told me this. I agree though, a second or third opinion is worth it. I too had hard time eating, ended up with feeding tube before surgeries, now my meds help a little better, but due to a major nerve being cut, that happened during last surgery, I think this could be why pain is a little better. Good luck, just don't give up!

Tammy Jo said:

I am sorry, I am not sure what Atypical GPN is exactly? I do know, Mom has GPN. Unfortunately, our Neuro surgeon, Dr. Tew, did not see the blood vessel impeding upon the nerve in the MRI images. He therefore does not believe the surgery will help right now. Mom can barely swallow now. Between the nausea, the constant pain, and inability to swallow.... well, it is very scary.

Hi,

I cannot believe this at all! I can't believe Dr. Janetta is still doing these surgeries. Please tell me he had one of his associates do the surgery on you. I believe Dr. Janetta needed to retire years ago! He "says" he did my 3 surgeries. The last MVD I had someone totally botched! Maybe someone needs to contact the organization that is responsible for this Dr. still practicing when many of his recent patients have turned out like me, worse after the surgery than before. Dr. Janetta is a great person, but I'm concerned about his age, especially since being in his office 3 times in 2006, discussing with other patients about their surgeries that didn't turn out good with Dr. Janetta as their Dr. I am not sure how he can do so many surgery on patients from out of town, not know that much about them, then see a patient in his office one day and the next day, do this surgery. Of course now after the fact, I question that, but it's too late for me. He wanted to go back a 4th time to correct what he'd done, but he knew I would say no, there was nothing he could fix, the damage was done. They cut my 9th cranial nerve, so I deaf in left ear, and partially still paralyzed on same side of face. Due to the balance nerve being cut, I had to learn to sit up, then walk w/o falling after surgery. I still fall today, cannot walk in dark at all. Just had an eye surgery due to problems with left eye from my last MVD! The Dr. that was with Dr. Janetta, and I feel did most of my surgery, left that practice. He was made an official partner, but then left. Ann was and probably still is Dr. Janetta's nurse, and so sweet, and I felt that even she was beginning to question this Dr.'s ability. This doctor needs to be retired, before someone else is disabled. It almost seemed like this Dr. had a # of these surgeries he did each day, and every other day was to beat the quota, like a race of how many MVD's he could do, AND he walked with a cane, couldn't stand up long. This was in Dec., 2006 and this is 2012? Dr. Tew is getting older also, these doctors, the "original surgeons, founders of MVD" need to step back and allow the young surgeons to move forward using their original talent. Now, we here in Louisville today... have several groups of Neurosurgeons that do this surgery with great outcomes, no mistakes. This was a surprise to me since when I needed the first surgery Louisville only had 1 dr. who said he would try this surgery, but I was going to be his first patient, I didn't like that. I know if Louisville has these Neurosurgeons then Denver and other cities all over have these younger, probably more mentally alert, having more stamina, to complete these sometime long procedures. I think you just need to call your hospitals in the area, or talk with a local hospital representative. Please, I'd appreciate if someone would let me know if Dr. Janetta is still practicing. Maybe Ben or whoever is in charge of this blog, you need to be alerted about this!!!! I am permanently disabled from this Dr.!!! He needs to retire, and today, June of 2012, I will fight for this to happen. Just cannot believe he was able to perform surgery in 2010, promise he didn't do that surgery, but one of his students, so called associates had to have done majority!!! We were told after the 2nd MVD from this associate, that Dr. Janetta did not wrap the 10th nerve, after freeing it from entrapment. Using the teflon material is basically the main reason to do this surgery, to allow the nerve to heal and be covered from continued irritation. Well, guess that should have really woke me up, ya think? I have had this pain since waking up from a hysterectomy in 2000, and sometimes you cannot be fixed, and need meds, but sometimes you're made worse, this shouldn't happen again. You were lucky that it just didn't work, all 3 of my surgeries did not work either. At least you woke up!! Not wanting to be negative at all people, but thinking this pain is worth still having, but not along with damage after surgery to other cranial nerves, just step back and do research please. God Bless everyone on this site! I believe God has His plan for all of us. I was a nurse before all of this, worked for 20 years in the field, and loved what I did. Then this happened, and it snowballed. The nurses in the Allegeny General Hospital in PIITS BURGH were HORRIBLE to me, especially after the last surgery. It's like they were mad at me for allowing Dr. Janetta to do a 3rd surgery, they were right. A nurse's aid even raised her voice to me, (on about the 3rd night, after being in ICU for 2 nights) and was upset, saying "don't ever let this doctor do this surgery again!" "Why did you keep coming back?" I'll never forget these comments, just wanted to be pain free. I guess God is testing me in a different way, after all I felt I was a very caring nurse, who worried about patients even after work hours. The crazy thing is you'd have thought I would have known better, just wanted relief and return to my life as caring for others, not for me. It is like the tables were turned, not sure why, but one day I'll know. I feel like I've passed this test God has given me, but it continues, one day at a time, and I'm passing with flying colors, and learned more than I ever would have about myself, so thanks to our Lord in a weird way! Did you all realize you were this strong, to handle this pain? I think there must be a reason, so look at the positive in all pain, then we will be more patient.

One day at a time people, we can all do this, promise! Sorry this is so long, I should write a book, this would fit into one chapter of this 52 year life!! :)


Take Care-Kat
ddues said:

I was diagnosed with gpn/atn 4 years ago. I had unsuccessful mvd with Dr. Peter Jenetta in Pittsburgh in Dec 2010. I have been through several neurologists (they all just want to throw drugs your way and offer no explanation or cause) I was on 450 mg of Lyrica a day and existing in misery. When my symptoms 1st started 4 years ago I also experienced pain in my neck/shoulder, this pain was minor compared to the pain in my throat, ear and eye so I focused on that. This past Dec in spite of all the Lyrica I noticed the pain in my neck/shoulder was worse so I went to a Spine surgeon. He asked questions about the pain and whether I had numbness/tingling in my arm and he made it clear to me that there is no connection to facial pain, cranial nerves and nerves in my neck/spine. when I told him how much Lyrica I was taking he agreed to order an MRI of my neck (Lyrica can mask the typical symptoms of a compressed/pinch nerve) The MRI showed two bad discs in my neck and he was talking pretty serious surgery and insisting it had nothing to do with my other symptoms and they would continue. After having so many procedures/surgeries I was not prepared to go through this and still be miserable. The surgeon offered to set me up for an injection that would calm the nerve temporarily and allow me to see what relief I would get from the surgery. When I went for the injection the doctor told me the same same thing about the connection between the cranial nerves and cervical nerves (no connection). I had the injection done and for the 1st week my symptoms (throat/ear/eye) were worse and then much better. Today I am 8 weeks post op from surgey, I had two discs removed and replaced with donor bone (anterior cervical fusion). It takes 6 months to a year for this bone to completely fuse but my relief was immediate!! I have an occasional twinge but I can rotate my neck and it will stop, I am told this is part of the fusion process. My biggest problem since the surgery has been weaning off the lyrica, I am at 25mg a day and some days do not have to take it at all, but same days I feel nauseaus if I do not take it. I am hopeful in the next few weeks to be medication free. Please do not accept this atypical diagnosis, be persistent. Try some neck strenghtening excercises (especially when you have a headache) and see if they make any difference. All the meds can mask other things and the pain can certainly overshadow any other kind of pain, don't give up or give in to this atypical diagnosis. I hope you find answers and relief soon! Prayers and Blessings.

Hi Jessica, just wondering how your ct angio went?
Hope your headaches are better and you are staying strong.

I too get the headaches. I feel like I could cope better
If I wasn’t having the gpn symptoms plus headaches.
Ernestine