Atypical facial pain and referred pain on complete left side of the body

Hi all, I have been suffering from atypical facial pain and referred pain on my left side of the body since last 10 years. In these years I have tried all SSRI, removed teeth thinking it was the cause, tried homeopathy, ayurveda (specifically Panchkarma treatment), acupuncture , pain blockers as well as have taken Lidocaine + Vitamin B12 through IV for 10 sessions. Nothing helped until now. Recently I have started Carbamazepine 200 mg twice a day. It has been just 4 days. The first day was quite nice where I experienced really very minimal pain compared to last 2 weeks of peak. However the pain came back next day and apart from that I am feeling very sleepy.

Does anyone here have experience with Carbamazepine? If not, I would just be happy to learn if there is any way to get a relief from this pain.

Thanks!

Hey Revolt2026,

My name is Merl I’m a member of the modsupport team here on The Ben’s Friends network and ā€˜facial pain’ (in my case trigeminal neuralgia) has been one of my diagnosis’. Through this process I was prescribed a number of differing medications, everything from heart meds to epilepsy meds to psych meds to ā€˜nerve’ pain meds. The theory was that by eliminating each as a treatment we could eliminate each as a cause. For example, if it was a blood flow issue, the heart meds would have an effect. If it was an electrical signalling issue, the epilepsy meds would have an effect etc, etc. Carbamazepine and Sodium Valproate were a couple of my trial medications that I remember. It took me a long time, months of trials, to eliminate the differing options.

For some people these treatments work and work well, but this is not a case of ā€˜One-Size-Fits-All’. Some find these treatments of very little benefit at all. Some find a benefit, but then after a month or so that benefit seems to vanish and the pain rears its ugly head again. For some medications it can take some real fine tuning to find just the right combination that works for you.

I’m in Australia and we have specific chemists known as ā€˜Compounding Pharmacists’. They can make a combination medication in a single tablet if you find that a differing dose or combination better suits you. Just because the drug manufacturers make a specific dose, that dose can be altered by a compounding pharmacist.

Trying to find ā€˜Your’ specific medication and dose can take lots of trial and elimination.

My advice: Keep a diary of your treatments/medications/outcomes. Having it all documented helps to prevent duplication by differing medicos, it also shows you are being proactive in your own care. Document it ALL. If you have a test, get a copy of the results. If you have a scan, get a copy of the report. Some medicos will have tests repeated for ā€˜their’ records, but if you have results available, there’s no need.

Hope it helps

Merl from the Modsupport Team

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Hi Merl,

Thank you so much for sharing! I had tried many medicines in the past and always due to side effects I discontinued them. My body is very sensitive to any kind of medicines and tends to produce the rare kind of side effects. This time until now apart from drowsiness and fatigue, nothing major has happened. I am trying Carbamazepine after many years again and hoping that it would be different since over the years the pain has also changed. I am hopeful since the first day felt like I am in a different body altogether.

I am an expat living in Germany, so it is little challenging to find suitable doctor. And I am not sure if there is any concept like "Compounding Pharmacists’ here but I will surely find out. Keeping a journal is such a good advice.

Thanks again!

Sneha

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Hey Sneha,

Ohh, yea, some of those ā€˜side effects’ can be nasty. I was up. I was down. heck, I was even sideways with some of the treatments. It was awful. With some I needed to build the medication up to the level of ā€˜A therapeutic dose’ (often a week of daily increases), then trial it, then a slow decrease coming off of that specific med. Stopping cold-turkey could send my whole system for a spin, just awful. A bit like you I tried a bit of everything. If someone had an idea, a hint or some new treatment option, I gave it a go. You never know, someone may just have that key I’ve been hunting for. Alas, I haven’t found that ā€˜key’ I’ve been hunting for yet, I just ā€˜try’ to manage the best way I can.

Merl from the Modsupport Team

Hey Merl,
I can completely understand that — it sounds like you’ve really been through a lot with all those treatments and adjustments. It must have been exhausting trying so many options and not finding that one thing that works perfectly. I really admire your perseverance though; managing through it all takes a lot of strength. Hopefully, that ā€œkeyā€ shows up soon — you definitely deserve some relief.

Sneha

Hey Sneha

Yea, exhausting is one way to put it.

I’ve given up on finding ā€˜one that works perfectly’. I have a little nasty growing right in the centre of my brain which has been operated on 6 times so far and my symptoms fluctuate massively. As I’ve often said to others:-

Some days I could leap a tall building in a single bound 
(OK so, a bit of an exaggeration) 
But then some days I'm lucky to be able to even crawl out of bed. 
I just never know what today may throw at me, 
I just have to be prepared to manage around it all.

Some days I can manage OK, some days it all manages me. Let’s just say it all keeps life interesting trying to juggle it all.

Merl from the Modsupport Team

I take 2 (200mg) at bed time, but my dentist gives me botox in my cheek and it stops the pain in about a week or two. Her mother has TN and that is why she became licensed to give botox. She has many of her regular dental patients that have TN. It last 4-6 months. I still take the medicine though.

Hey Merl,

Thank you for sharing that — I can only imagine how much strength it takes to go through everything you’ve described. It really sounds like a constant battle of ups and downs, and yet you still manage to face it with honesty and even humor. I really admire that attitude. You’re absolutely right — some days we manage, and some days we just get through — but both still count as progress.

Hi Paul1927,

Wow, that’s really interesting — I didn’t know Botox could help that much with TN pain. It’s great that your dentist has that experience and that it gives you some relief for several months. I’m glad the combination of treatment and medication works for you.

Thanks for sharing!

Sneha

I was on Carbamezapine for 2 years , but higher doses, 800/day. The being sleepy is just part of taking that med. 4 days is not enough time , your doctor should tell you about how long it’ll take to take effect. If the pain is still there after a week he probably will up the dose. Your body will adjust to it over time and the sleepiness will not be as noticeable. Even the sleepiness is MUCH better than that pain. Making yourself get up and moving and doing stuff will help a lot with overcoming that sleepiness. I eventually had the Gamma Knife done . It worked for me for 9 yrs, then the pain came back. I then was given a Cyberknife. It worked. Going on 16 yrs now after the treatment. Both treatments don’t work with everybody. But they did for me. That was 16 years ago ! I still take Lyrica 2/day but no sleepiness from it. All said, the Cyberknife and the Lyrica have done well for me. I’m 79 age and 27 years since my first attack.

That’s really encouraging to hear how well those treatments worked for you over the long term. It’s reassuring to know that the sleepiness from Carbamazepine eventually gets better and that there are other options like Gamma Knife and CyberKnife if needed. I’m so glad the combination of CyberKnife and Lyrica has kept things under control for you — that’s amazing progress after so many years. I also wanted to ask: I’ve had multiple MRIs, but none confirmed TN for me. Still, the pain is in the exact same area as TN plus referred pain on the complete left side of my body. Was your TN pathologically confirmed? I tried a local block for TN, but it didn’t work, so I held off on a permanent blocker.

Revolt, pardon my lengthiness, as this will be long, but I want to give you a clear picture to properly answer your question. My pain was on the right side, in the face. BUT, it started in one tooth, a molar. Pain that was totally crippling for 20-30 seconds. Then gone. Later it moved to the mouth pallet and other teeth…..like the pain was crawling, moving. Then it was in the face, right side. I went to dentists convinced my tooth was bad. Nothing. Then an ENT, then another ENT, then an oral surgeon. The oral surgeon told me what it was just by my very verbal description. He said I had trigeminal neuralgia and gave me Carbamezepine and said try it for a week. ā€œIf the pain goes away you have TN; if it doesn’t then its something elseā€. It did go away as long as I took the med. I read up on it and learned that sometimes over time you’d have to increase the dosage. I got by well on the Carbamezipine (Tegrotol). Luckily, we moved from Louisiana to near Birmingham and I got with a neurologist there. Over time, yes, I did have to increase to a higher doses. Sleepy?….yes. BUT getting up…..getting moving and doing stuff made the sleepiness take a back seat. I’m active, working in the yard, trimming, fixing this and that, mowing the grass, fishing, hunting etc etc. I noticed this !……any time I was up doing stuff I never had any pains. None. Activity and getting my mind on doing ā€œstuffā€ gave me no pain. Doing ā€œstuffā€ and getting my mind off stressful things made things a lot better. Only when I was idle doing nothing. I can’t explain that, thats just the way it was. I had a tremendous amount of stress I was dealing with. I told my neurologist this and she had no answer for that. But I always thought (rightly or wrongly) stress in some way caused this. In one of my checkups she told me if you get tired of dealing with this we do have the Gamma Knife here in Birmingham (Alabama). At that time (2000), it was only in selected bigger cities across the U.S. Now its everywhere. I told her I was interested because I’d already been reading up on TN and had read about the GK and also the MVD surgery. So I jumped at the GK option. She sent me to Dr. Swaid Swaid, a neurosurgeon here in Birmingham So, an MRI was done. In my visit with him he was SO compassionate and fully understood because he had dealt with TN patients over the years. He told me he could see it just from my facial expressions telling the story of my pain. I asked him ā€œwhat about the MVD surgery optionā€? He shook his head No and just very calmly said with the MVD, its an invasive surgery, and sometimes we go in there and find a blood vessel pressing on the trigeminal nerve…….and other times….nothing….shaking his head. As for the MRI: I asked him some time later if the MRI showed anything. He said No. Yet, something was surely causing the pain. But the MRI showed nothing. I’m guessing here, but I think he opted for the GK because of that (nothing showing)…..and GK is not an invasive procedure. I’m just guessing on that. The GK does not work every time but it did for me for 9 years. When TN returned after 9 years of being pain free it came back like a roaring freight train….electric shocks in my face with the vibration of a jackhammer. So, I went back to him. By this time the new machine , CyberKnife, had come out (2010). So, he gave me that. It did leave my face with a lot of numbness on the right side, but I’d take that over those violent strikes ANY day. I could NOT live with that. Over time, the numbness subsided to almost nothing, but it took years for the numbness to subside (in my case). Still, even with the numbness the brain adjusts and that just becomes normal. Another point I want to make: At one time I drove to Ohio to see another neurosurgeon thinking I’d find someone to do the MVD for me. I was desperate. He did an MRI. It showed no nerve compression on the right side but, as he said, definite compression on the left side. I asked him then why don’t I have pain there. He said, ā€œyou tell meā€. He didn’t have any idea why I had no pain there. So…..like you, my first MRI in Birmingham showed no confirmation. The next MRI (years later) showed no confirmation on the right side, but did on the left where no pain was. Like you….the first MRI showed nothing. The second MRI showed that the trigeminal nerve on the pain side (right) had actually shrunk. He (the surgeon in Ohio) was shocked . After returning to Birmingham my neurologist said ā€œand thats exactly what we would expect it to doā€ā€¦.(shrink). So, my doctors in Birmingham knew more than the neurosurgeon I drove to see in Ohio.

Bottom line —–like you……the MRI showed nothing.

I’ll say this about the GK and CK. The procedures are easy. No cutting, no brain surgery, no incision. But the GK involves a head frame which they attach to the head with screws to hold your head steady and immovable so the GK could accurately aim its beams without you moving your head around. Fitting that frame on was no fun at all. But once it was on it was ok. It was just the application of it that was painful – but still, far less than a TN episode. The CK has no head frame. Instead, in order to hold your head in position, they put a warm (not hot) rubber mask over your face and let it mold to the shape of your head. After the mask cools it forms into the shape of your face and head and they attach that mask to the table so you can’t move your head. Its painless. Its really a modern miracle. Once the mask ā€œsolidifiesā€ they make an appointment for you for the treatment. I was on the table maybe 45 minutes. Its a robotic arm treatment that moves around aiming its beam at a place on the trigeminal nerve from maybe 50-100 different angles. This is much more accurate than could be done with the human hand. It was easy. Very easy. It took some time for that to work. It wasn’t instant. But I took meds during that time. Eventually, as I stated before, I got off all of the 4 or 5 meds except Lyrica..,..which I take two/day. I take the generic form, Pregabalin, and is very reasonable in cost. $27 for 3 month supply through GoodRx.com. I could let my Medicare Advantage (Medicare) pay for it but the co-pays are a little higher that way, so I just buy it myself.

I see you are in Germany. If….you decide to consider the GK or CK there should be these treatments there in Germany. If you were in a 3rd world country, probably not. I think the CK was invented by a scientist in Finland if I’m not mistaken. I’m not telling you to consider them, but they were offered to me and I took it. That decision should be left up to you and a GOOD neurosurgeon. Preferably, a neurosurgeon in a larger city or a large university and has had a history of treating TN.

As for the pain down the side of your body, I have not a clue.

Hi Jimmy_W,

Thank you so much for sharing all of this in such detail — I really appreciate the time and openness. Your story actually gave me hope, especially since you found a doctor who truly understood your pain and took a compassionate approach. That has been such a rare experience for me.
In my case, I unfortunately never came across a very empathetic doctor. Over time, I’d pretty much given up on medicines because I kept getting severe side effects and, with a full-time job, it just wasn’t manageable anymore. For a while, I tried to live with the pain, but it’s reached a point now where I honestly can’t take it any longer. So I decided to start again, cautiously, with the lowest dosage — just to see if I can tolerate it.
Reading your experience with Carbamazepine and later with Gamma Knife and CyberKnife gives me some perspective on the possible treatment paths ahead. I can really relate to how stress seems to amplify everything — it’s strange how much the mind and body feed into each other when pain is constant.
I’m based in Germany, and thankfully the GK and CK options are available here too, though I’m still figuring out whether to explore those or first see how I respond to medication again. Hearing your outcomes and patience throughout gives me courage to keep trying, even if it takes some time to find the right balance.
Thank you again for sharing your journey — it helps more than you probably realize.

Sneha

Hi, I read through all the comments. Getting back to your question, experience with carbamazepine- yes, I’ve been on it for years, 1100mg per day, along with some lamotrigine and gabapentin. Besides the fatigue (I use caffeine from coffee in the morning for that), and ā€œbrain fogā€/slowed thinking, you should know that low sodium levels is a possible side effect, at least at higher doses like me. If your sodium gets too low, the side effects are VERY bad- read up on it. I get blood tests regularly to monitor my sodium levels. Also there is an ā€œextended release formā€, that lasts 12 hours, verses a ā€œquick releaseā€ that only lasts 6-8 hours.

Hello Carl,

Thanks for sharing your long-term experience with carbamazepine—1100 mg daily alongside lamotrigine and gabapentin is a solid combo, and it’s helpful to hear how you manage fatigue with morning coffee. Thanks for reminding about low sodium side effects and risks.

I’m on the quick-release Mazetol 200 mg now (not SR), and after 10 days, drowsiness has eased a little but nausea/dry mouth linger, plus my pain isn’t improving—planning a doctor visit soon. Tried low-dose gabapentin before but it knocked me out completely (total disorientation and sedation), so steering clear. Appreciate the ER vs. IR tip too—might discuss switching. Take care!

Sneha