Anyone with Atypical TRIGEMINAL NEUROPATHY? (Bilateral)

Stevo53.....what a story! That's remarkable. I found two things interesting. The part about Manitoba, for one. The part about the nerve being pressed by an abnormal bend in an artery in the neck -- (not near the brain). I'm going to try to find info on that Manitoba hospital. I think generally speaking the US has the best healthcare in the world, but I'm not blind enough to think we have every answer.

On the part about the neck artery: I find that interesting because when my pain gets beyond what the meds level I'm taking I use a topical cream made at a compounding shop. The pharmacist there told me to rub it behind the earlobe on the bony part, and also in front of the earlobe. You referred to the place being behind and below the ear, but the proximity to the area the pharmacist said I find interesting enough to take note of.



Stevo53 said:

I also had some success with a friends home made magnetic pulser. It used a camera electronic flash unit to store and release the impulses and it used a magnet with a specific number of copper wire windings. Yes there is a $300 version of this.

Have any of you read all the info on the site of the hospital in Manitoba that specializes in TN. They have graphics tutorial for Doctors. I diagnosed myself from an article on web that then linked me to the Manitoba place. I had to diagnose myself because the Docs and local neuro were worthless, as was the Acupuncturist.

So when I knew what it was called I told my cousin in Aust who runs a big Hospital. He emailed me their complete data base on TN. This is what Docs go to for info. It even gives all the Meds, strengths, side effects and data on all treatments and operations. So I spent a week studying it all. I was not prepared to take any of the meds or have any of the procedures as it also had data on the results of the treatments. Like how many die from ops and how many get meningitis from brain surgery. Somewhere I still have all that info from the hospital. Not sure how I can share it with you all or if I legally can even.

So I set about to try and cure myself. It took me 3 yrs. What I found was that the more I could diminish the pain the sooner I would go into a remission. As I proceeded with this the pain periods diminished from mths to weeks and the remission periods increased from weeks to mths. I believe what I was doing was taking away the memory of it from the brain gradually.

Re the cause of TN. At the time I studied all the causes and I believe I know the exact cause of mine. The Data says the biggest percentage are caused by an artery getting a larger bend in it and pressing on the main nerve stem in the side of ones neck just behind and below the ear. So, I was in Bali in the tropics for a wedding and made the mistake of getting in a pool and at the time remembered thinking there was not much chlorine in the water but it was so hot and humid I needed to cool off. I got an infected hair follicle right in the spot where the literature says the nerve gets pressed against against the artery. I flew back to Aust , then to USA and 3 days later got the stabbing pain in temple, just once a day initially but within a week had all the face pain in the 3 nerve branches. Second week the trigger point was in one of my teeth for 4 days and I could only take liquid with a straw. Fortunately I had read the article by then that said do not go to dentist for this. The search I did to find the article that got me started was "EYE TOOTH NERVE PAIN" So began my education and 3 yrs of treating myself without Docs.

I had 4 sessions of Acupuncture. 1 was kind of euphoric, 2 hurt a little. Doc said it was my Gall Bladder.I knew that was bunk. 3 hurt a lot and the 3 days before the next treatment were the worst of my life. I was in such continual pain and weak from the pain that I could not walk up the flight of stairs to her office. I crawled on my hands and knees. 4. When she was about half way putting all the needles in one of them she was putting in my leg caused my leg to fly up in the air almost knocking her over and me nearly hitting the ceiling. I screamed at her. No More and get out. I should have just jerked them all out myself but it hurt to much to move to reach them so I laid there paralyzed for 20 mins till she ventured in to remove needles. She knew I was done with her. It took me a week to recover from that torture. Could not do much more than lay on the bed most of the time. Unfortunately it was a few mths before I discovered that alcohol would help. Lucky I am a tough ole coote. 53 when it started. Steve.

mrl said:

Alcohol: I had one pain specialist tell me that alcohol did help some pain patients. it did not help me unfortunately
PainShield: we're all desperate for relief; just make sure you do your homework as Mimi suggested, & know that some things work for some people, & not for others. we have a poorly understood disorder.

I tried everything initially, & some treatments that were lifesavers for other people on this site didn't help me at all. other things that had no impact for some others did help me (e.g. acupuncture).

I tried a product at a medical conference (I'm a nurse), & surprisingly it did help reduce the pain for me. it is essentially "pulsed acupuncture" & is geared to override the sensory pain response with an almost imperceptible electric pulse. it is still very new (called the P-Stim) & costs about $300. some insurers in the US cover it (United HC), but many don't. it is FDA-approved for pain control. but again, some things work for some people & not for others.

Sharon it all depends where you put your post, If it was in this discussion that you started, no, I don't see it either. But if you go to "my page" (one of the tabs at the top of each page will say that, click on it) you will see all the recent comments you have made. Also if you click on "Main page", on the left column in red you will see "NOW...get started" and under that you will see "Read More from our First Users Guide" and this is the link.
http://www.livingwithtn.org/page/first-time-user-guide

If you are using an iPhone, this page looks so much different than on a computer, but there is an app for us. It's called Ben's Friends, which is who created this website along with dozens of other websites for rare health conditions. If you go to where you get your apps (Itunes), you can download it. I'll put this info on your page as well as in the discussion you started about bilateral pain. The app isn't available for android phones yet darn it. That's the phone I have and I hope the app is created soon.

Enjoy your vacation enough for all of us!

Sheila W

Re: neck artery. When I had my first workup with the cardiologist they found a crooked carotid artery. The cardiologist is not concerned about it (at least from his end). It is on my tn side and there is often pain in my neck.

I looked up the Pain-Shield device. It's almost $900 and not covered by insurance.

Buy it direct from Israel, like I did. See my answer earlier.

Kind regards,

Walter

Jimmy Works. I have tried to add the link to The Uni of Manitoba in Winnepeg with the tutorial. Hope it works. If not go to their main website and look under TN.

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Stevo53 said:

Jimmy Works. I have tried to add the link to The Uni of Manitoba in Winnepeg with the tutorial. Hope it works. If not go to their main website and look under TN.

http://www.umanitoba.ca/cranial_nerves/trigeminal_neuralgia/tutoria…



Here’s the link, you will need Flash…

This is the hospital I flew to for my MVD and Dr. A Kaufmann was my surgeon…he trained under Dr. P Janetta and opened up this Cranial Nerve Disorders clinic at the Hospital in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
His tutorials and TN pages are very informative.

That is the one. Thx

Mimi said:

http://www.umanitoba.ca/cranial_nerves/trigeminal_neuralgia/tutoria...

Here's the link, you will need Flash...

This is the hospital I flew to for my MVD and Dr. A Kaufmann was my surgeon...he trained under Dr. P Janetta and opened up this Cranial Nerve Disorders clinic at the Hospital in Winnipeg, Manitoba.
His tutorials and TN pages are very informative.

Hi everyone!

This is my fourth attempt to post a reply! I am on vacation and the Wi-Fi is spotty at best. At least, that’s the story I’m going with, lol! (It might have more to do with my memory, or lack thereof …!)
Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply. I appreciate your suggestions and help. I can’t believe how many responses I’ve gotten! You sure know how to make a gal feel welcome.

I’d like to share some background info so you know where I’m coming from. TRIGEMINAL NEUROPATHY is one of many conditions I have. There’s the fibromyalgia for 25 yrs, an L5 spondyliothesis (deformed bone) which regularly slides into my pelvis (read immobility and lots of pain). Early onset osteoarthritis, degenerative discs, scoliosis, the unfortunately named dowagers hump, reynalds syndrome, and hypothyroidism. I’m scheduled for genetic testing in June to confirm ehler-danlos syndrome- a collagen thing where my joints are hyperextendable causing debilitating and painful dislocations in various joints. A long list of environmental and food allergies round out the list.

I’ve tried every medication mentioned here. So far there’s been nothing that’s given me relief for more than a few months and I’ve had allergic reactions to several. I’m on Nucynta at the moment along with muscle relaxers, antidepressants, sleeping meds, and more. I also practice relaxation techniques.

I haven’t seen a neurologist for years. The suggestion that I should see one again, now, makes sense. I think I will try and get a referral when I’m back from vacation. It’s hard to be motivated when I’m always hurting. Sometimes I just want to curl up in a ball and feel sorry for myself. I don’t, but that’s how it feels.

About six years ago I did experience a total remission from the neuropathy. It lasted a year and then returned one morning like it had never been gone. There has been no let up before or since. Still, it shows me there is hope.

I’ve never heard of the machines many of you have mentioned. Because I’ve tried so many things for so long I tend to be skeptical but obviously some of you have had success with this and I will approach my team management team concerning this. Using lavender was suggested. I have just started to try essential oils. Maybe they will help. I do try to keep my face relatively warm. Our winters are very harsh and long, and if I get a chance to go out, which is seldom, I must wrap my entire head with a tightly woven, the shawl. (this provides entertainment for the person who gets to lead me around! I have been walked into poles, door jambs and tripped up stairs. "Accidentally, of course! We all get a good giggle!) but seriously, my husband, kids, and grandkids are very supportive and helpful. The extended family don’t get it. Ah, well…

Cheryl, I am in Edmonton! I’ve not found anyone here with bilateral TN so it’s nice to hear from someone so close! That’s a happy discovery!

To those who have kindly provided links for me to explore I thank you. When I get home in a week or so with reliable Wi-Fi I will definitely look them up.

This has taken me nearly 2 hours to dictate and I’m getting a bit muddled in my thoughts. So I’ll say goodbye for now.

Gratefully,

Sharon

Sharon, I’m bilateral and in Sherwood Park!!

Hi, Is it as effective as the website states it is?? What was the cost buying directly from Israel?? Thank-You Loretta

WaWa said:

Buy it direct from Israel, like I did. See my answer earlier.

Kind regards,

Walter

Just for your information: I ordered it directly in Israel about one year ago and they sent it to me overnight with DHL. No hassle, no tax, no prescription, no customs or any other problem. The packed size was half a shoebox. I payed € 500 = ± $ 650. I've got 10 raplacement patches and I only needed to replace it twice in the past year. The wires to the 'speaker' on the patch are very thin and can brake. That is why once in a while they need replacement. I stick it to my chin with 3M medical tape. I my case, it did not heal, but it reduces the pain. Nevertheless, I still need to take my medications, but less.

Regards from Brussels,

Walter

I have had TN for 2 1/2 years. I have been on Tegretol for 1/12 years. Just started on Trilepitol to try to detox for a couple of months, also to try for less side effects. Not working for me. Going back to Tegretol. Remember each person reacts differently to each med. Have tried many, Tegretol seems to work best for me.

Thank-you so much for the information. What type of medication do you take & how much? I assume you would still recommend the Pain Shield even though it did not cure the pain, but has reduced it enough that it has brought you some relief and it was worth the purchase? Are you able to replace or fix the wires yourself when they do break? I appreciate all the information you are aware of. I've had this condition for 8 years after a fall that broke my eyeball socket. After the operation to repair the break they obviosly pinched a nerve now unable to locate which nerve. The pain seems to be progressing. I'm just about ready to have a rhizotomy, however it would be great fo find a less invasive procedure.

Thank-You,

Loretta from Florida, USA

WaWa said:

Just for your information: I ordered it directly in Israel about one year ago and they sent it to me overnight with DHL. No hassle, no tax, no prescription, no customs or any other problem. The packed size was half a shoebox. I payed € 500 = ± $ 650. I've got 10 raplacement patches and I only needed to replace it twice in the past year. The wires to the 'speaker' on the patch are very thin and can brake. That is why once in a while they need replacement. I stick it to my chin with 3M medical tape. I my case, it did not heal, but it reduces the pain. Nevertheless, I still need to take my medications, but less.

Regards from Brussels,

Walter

Dear Loretta,

I have been diagnosed six years ago with ‘atypical trigeminal neuropathy’.

As far as the medication is concerned: In my case the pain manifests itself when lying down and mainly at the right side. So sleeping is thé problem. My neurologist is also a surgeon and he tried three times to ablate (heat up) the trigeminal nerve, but with no avail. He then decided to help me with the medication as described herafter. I cannot do without otherwise my nights would be hell.

So, this is how I spend my nights: [1] Going to sleep: 1 Lormetazepam 2mg = sold under several brands) + 1 Pregabaline (= Lyrica) 150 mg + Tramadol Retard 200 mg (= Contramal). In spite of the pain, I fall asleep until 2 hrs. later. Then, I can’t stand the sudden increase of the pain anymore and have to get up. I stay up for about 2 hrs. [2] Then, I go back to sleep with: 1 Lyrica 150mg + 1 Tramadol retard 200 mg. [3] 3 hrs. later I have to get up again, although the pain is much less. This time I stay up for about 2 hrs. again. Before going to bed again, I take the same medication. [4] This time I am free of pain and can sleep for another 3 hrs. All in all, I sleep 2 + 2 + 3 = seven to 8 hrs. During daytime I have no problems, I am totally free of side-effects, expect for what I describe here after. I have to eat a lot of fruit in order to go to the toilet normally. Otherwise it is too hard. That is the only problem I have. Driving is no problem either. I go to the swimming pool twice a week to work-out.

I believe it is important to be busy with hobbies and other activities and maintain your social contacts. Otherwise depression would surely come up. I feel it is at the horizon if I would worry all the time. I stay in the present time and do not care too much about later.

Often – wen the pain is too much - I wear the PainShield. This device sends a 90 kHz wave through my chin, where the pain is the most. It does not heal, but helps in reducing the pain. Usually I put it after my first sleep-session. It was worth the purchase. Expensive? The price of an iPhone…

Voilà, this is what I can say.

Kind regards,

Walter

Walter, have you ever tried magnesium? I take a nice dose of "Calm" a couple hours before bed. When my pain was pretty much under control this was enough to help me sleep. But, for you, I am thinking it might help regulate (in addition to the fruit) because it does help stimulate bowels. Just a thought. Our medications sure can mess up our balance...full time job to keep it all in control.

Shadow,

I give it a try to night. 350mg dose Pure Magnesium. If it does not help, it wil not harm.

Regards,

Walter

Hi Walter just received an email NanoVibronix directly from Israel their price is now $850.00+ $25.00 shipping US$ with 4 extra patches. Be happy that you bought yours last year. Do you know how this compares to the P-Stim?Thanks....Loretta Florida USA

WaWa said:

Just for your information: I ordered it directly in Israel about one year ago and they sent it to me overnight with DHL. No hassle, no tax, no prescription, no customs or any other problem. The packed size was half a shoebox. I payed € 500 = ± $ 650. I've got 10 raplacement patches and I only needed to replace it twice in the past year. The wires to the 'speaker' on the patch are very thin and can brake. That is why once in a while they need replacement. I stick it to my chin with 3M medical tape. I my case, it did not heal, but it reduces the pain. Nevertheless, I still need to take my medications, but less.

Regards from Brussels,

Walter

...That is a serious inflation... I do not know the P-Stim.

Walter