11 year old diagnosed with TN

Hello.

I am the parent of my 11 year old daughter diagnosed with Trigeminal neuralgia (left side) about a week ago. She was started on 400 MG of Carbamazepine per day for the next week then increased to 800mg per day. It has been 8 days days (at 400mg/day) dose and so far has had no pain relief. She also takes Amitriptyline in the evenings to help with sleep.

We are awaiting a few brain scans to determine cause of TN, which will be within the next weeks.

I am concerned on how bad the pain is, she is missing considerable amounts of school, as well as her after school activities. Even simple tasks like teeth brushing are near impossible due to the pain at this point.

This diagnose of TN took approximately two years to get. Previous to this she had Eustachian tube dysfunction that was believed to be casing the pain and has a diagnosis of right side TMJ.

Please share with me any comments, thoughts, suggestions. I will be happy to receive anything that may help my daughter with this issue.

Thanks! J

Hello. I'm so sorry to hear that your daughter has this terrible condition. I can't image how confused she must be feeling now. I know it can take a few weeks for meds to kick in. Hopefully after the brain scans they may find a cause or be able to offer a better course of treatment. Wishing you and your daughter all the best. Mary

J, Welcome, though I'm sorry to have to meet you this way. I'm so sorry about your daughter. My daughter, who will be 15 in November was diagnosed with TN when she was 11 years old. It completely sucks, and turned out world upside down. I will say, my daughter has now been medication free and mostly pain free since January 2014, so there is hope. No cure, but things that can really help depending on your situation.

I sent you a friend request, and am the one who runs, along with 3 other TN Mamas, a Facebook page for parents of kids with TN. I will happily add you into the group, but have to find you on Facebook first, so need to PM with real names and all.

My daughter was diagnosed, and then started on Trileptal (Oxcarbazepine), which is a derivative of Carbemazepine, which worked well for her initially. When it started to be unable to keep up with the pain, Gabapentin (Neurontin) was added in. As it was explained to me, Oxcarbazepine/Carbemazepine work to suppress neurological activity which prevents the nerves from triggering the pain response (and also causes the not-fun side effects of brain fog & forgetting things). The Neurontin works to shut down the pain response if it is triggered. So they can be safely combined and for some people the combined effect can really help. It did help our girl.

As for the scans, our daughter had a total of 3 MRIs taken. When we had the first scan done, we took it to a neurosurgeon, and he looked at it and told us it wasn't the right scan. :-/ Sooo, we went back and got the specific scan he needed to see the Trigeminal Nerve. We were told it was "Clear" and "Normal" by three neurosurgeons. We had another MRI done a year later, and it was also read as "Clear". However, long story short, we wound up having exploratory brain surgery done - I know, I hope that didn't completely freak you out, but there's a lot of back story there. In the end, 8 compressions of her Trigeminal Nerve were removed, her Trigeminal Nerve had grafted onto a membrane in her brain "like superglue" and that was detached. And 2 compressions were removed from her 7th cranial nerve and 2 more compressions from her 9th cranial nerve. Whew!

Moral of that story - NONE of that showed on her MRIs according to 4 different (over a period of years) neurosurgeons. Two of those at Johns Hopkins hospital (big deal hospital with a TN clinic). The final neurosurgeon (in California, we live in Virginia) we went to did see two of the compressions on the exact same MRI everyone else said was "clear", but there was still MUCH more going on that didn't show up.

I am happy to talk any time, and once we PM will add you to the Facebook group. All my best to you and your girl. I know it is incredibly hard and stressful. We missed a ton of school too. Just an encouragement that at this age, she can deal with her health issues first and catch up in school later. It's not fun, but doable.

Meg

J,
Here’s a link to a wonderful resource for parents of children suffering with TN
( thanks to KTRsMom, Meg and other moms)
http://tnkidsrock.com/2015/02/20/its-trigeminal-neuralgia-now-what/

Meg hope KTR is doing well, think of you often!
(( hugs )) Mimi

Hi,

This breaks my heart. The pain that comes with this is difficult for an adult to handle. I cannot imagine the heart break of having a child in so much pain. TN runs in my family. I am the fourth woman with it and it is my absolute worst nightmare that my daughter will get this.

I noticed that you are in Ontario. So am I. I am an hour east of Toronto. There is good, but small, community of Canadians on here. There are some good active groups on Facebook too. I have spent a lot of time researching Drs and neuros so if you are looking for help let me know and I can pass you some names and links. I am sending you a friend request.

You probably aren't ready for this yet but the best neurosurgeon in Canada is probably DR. Kauffman in Winnipeg. Mimi--who replied to this conversation has seen him.

https://www.umanitoba.ca/centres/cranial_nerves/kaufmann/index.html

And the top anywhere seems to be Dr. Linskey in California

http://www.ucirvinehealth.org/find-a-doctor/l/mark-linskey/

We are all here for you and your daughter. Please ask us anything.

Mimi, she is! September 28th will be 20 months since her 2nd MVD, and by 10 days after that surgery she was off all meds. So nearly 20 months off all meds, and almost pain free all that time. She will still have little pain flares (very low level for the most part, and shorter) if she gets exhausted or sick, but that is only once every 6-8 weeks, maybe.

She is in classes (taking a class called Around the World in Six Languages online in the room with me right now) and doing very well. Truly, I didn't realize how much the meds had changed her personality. I just thought she was growing up, getting more subdued. But she went off the meds and all this personality and energy slowly came back. Some days she was absolutely running around the house with energy. She got an "A" in pre-Algebra, after working non-stop and with tears to get a "C" in math on the meds. Surgery - especially the 2nd time - was a huge decision, but our other option was life on the meds, and that was so hard. We know there are no guarantees with this beast, but for now she is off everything and doing well, and it's wonderful.

Our biggest health concern in recent weeks has been chigger bites.

We are going to be at the Facial Pain Conference in NYC in October, so if you're going to be there, say hi!


Mimi said:

J,
Here's a link to a wonderful resource for parents of children suffering with TN
( thanks to KTRsMom, Meg and other moms)
http://tnkidsrock.com/2015/02/20/its-trigeminal-neuralgia-now-what/

Meg hope KTR is doing well, think of you often!
(( hugs )) Mimi

Dr. Linskey is who we went to for KatieRose's 2nd MVD, January 28th 2014. He is amazing, and we can't recommend him highly enough. A consult with him is like a graduate class in TN. He doesn't just treat you, he studies TN, teaches about it, and will educate you!

He has also treated more pediatric TN patients than, I think, anyone in the world. And he has been studying them specifically, even changing some of how he performs the surgeries and does post-surgical med-weaning for the kids.

justjane37 said:

Hi,

This breaks my heart. The pain that comes with this is difficult for an adult to handle. I cannot imagine the heart break of having a child in so much pain. TN runs in my family. I am the fourth woman with it and it is my absolute worst nightmare that my daughter will get this.

I noticed that you are in Ontario. So am I. I am an hour east of Toronto. There is good, but small, community of Canadians on here. There are some good active groups on Facebook too. I have spent a lot of time researching Drs and neuros so if you are looking for help let me know and I can pass you some names and links. I am sending you a friend request.

You probably aren't ready for this yet but the best neurosurgeon in Canada is probably DR. Kauffman in Winnipeg. Mimi--who replied to this conversation has seen him.

https://www.umanitoba.ca/centres/cranial_nerves/kaufmann/index.html

And the top anywhere seems to be Dr. Linskey in California

http://www.ucirvinehealth.org/find-a-doctor/l/mark-linskey/

We are all here for you and your daughter. Please ask us anything.

I recognize your daughter's photo and thought she went to Linskey. He is a miracle worker! I would definitely fight to see him over any other surgeon.

I'm so glad that your daughter is doing well and living the life she is supposed too!

Aw Meg, that’s fantastic news!! I’m so very pleased to read your update.
I had planned to be in NYC, but unfortunately I suffered a huge set back with an un-diagnosed tooth abscess ( thanks to TN masking the pain) emergency root canal, 9 days IV antibiotics, then 5 days oral…my left side was 3 times the size. I’m still recovering and waiting to have the tooth completely filled.
Was a bit traumatic…
I’m very sad about it actually, really wanted to attend this year!
Tell KTR I’m soooooo proud of her and so happy for your family!! So very awesome!! I’ll keep her in my thoughts , thanks for the update! Made my day!
(( hugs ))

That sounds really horrible Mimi! As if you haven't been through enough and dealt with enough pain in your mouth. Sending you positive healing vibes and I hope that everything heals well.

Mimi said:

Aw Meg, that's fantastic news!! I'm so very pleased to read your update.
I had planned to be in NYC, but unfortunately I suffered a huge set back with an un-diagnosed tooth abscess ( thanks to TN masking the pain) emergency root canal, 9 days IV antibiotics, then 5 days oral..my left side was 3 times the size. I'm still recovering and waiting to have the tooth completely filled.
Was a bit traumatic...
I'm very sad about it actually, really wanted to attend this year!
Tell KTR I'm soooooo proud of her and so happy for your family!! So very awesome!! I'll keep her in my thoughts , thanks for the update! Made my day!
(( hugs ))